Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone have any experience with, or info on, the fade resistance
qualities of Inkpress papers, such as Photo Chrome Luster?

Rem

I spoke with my Inkpress rep and was told the Inkpress Luster is the same as
Epson's as far as fade resistance and longevity.  Contact me off line if you
have other questions about Inkpress products.


Michael J. Pach
AdventureCam Photo
719-260-6637
mike@...
www.adventurecamphoto.com
AOL IM: mikep1967


Does anyone have any experience with, or info on, the fade resistance

qualities of Inkpress papers, such as Photo Chrome Luster?

Rem

--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "AdventureCam 
Photo" <email@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke with my Inkpress rep and was told the Inkpress Luster is the 
same as
> Epson's as far as fade resistance and longevity.  Contact me off line 
if you
> have other questions about Inkpress products.
> 

Well, perhaps someone other that a person who has a stake in the sales 
of a product might be a better judge of fade, longevity, etc. of a 
given product.

Perhaps you were expecting Henry Wilhelm himself to answer a question that
no one else did.  I'm sure you would have trusted his opinion even though he
has more of a stake in the sale of papers than anyone on this planet.  Or
perhaps you could have taken the time to use your energy in a positive way
and do the reasearch necessary to help someone, but I guess it makes you
feel more powerful to be cynical and question someone's ethics.


Michael J. Pach
AdventureCam Photo
719-260-6637
mike@...
www.adventurecamphoto.com
AOL IM: mikep1967




Well, perhaps someone other that a person who has a stake in the sales

of a product might be a better judge of fade, longevity, etc. of a

given product.

--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "AdventureCam 
Photo" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps you were expecting Henry Wilhelm himself to answer a 
question that
> no one else did.  I'm sure you would have trusted his opinion even 
though he
> has more of a stake in the sale of papers than anyone on this 
planet.  Or
> perhaps you could have taken the time to use your energy in a 
positive way
> and do the reasearch necessary to help someone, but I guess it 
makes you
> feel more powerful to be cynical and question someone's ethics.
> 
> 
> Michael J. Pach
> AdventureCam Photo
> 719-260-6637
> mike@...
> www.adventurecamphoto.com
> AOL IM: mikep1967
> 

MJP, "Perhaps you were expecting Henry Wilhelm himself to answer a 
question that no one else did.  I'm sure you would have trusted his 
opinion even though he has more of a stake in the sale of papers than 
anyone on this planet.Or perhaps you could have taken the time to use 
your energy in a positive way and do the reasearch necessary to help 
someone, but I guess it makes you feel more powerful to be cynical 
and question someone's ethics."

Not exactly, It just saves me money to be cynical about 
manufacturer's claims. 

You see, you wrote, "I spoke with my Inkpress rep and was told the 
Inkpress Luster is the same as Epson's as far as fade resistance and 
longevity. 

LOL!. What reports did the rep offer? How does the rep know what he 
or she is talking about? What reports other than his or her boss's 
word has the rep seen. Did the rep describe in detail how the fade 
resistance and "longevity" of inkpress papers are tested? (Wilhelm 
does) Where are the results published?

Ever heard the words, "KODAK paper"? They said about the same thing 
about their products.

Question? Why is it fine for you to call Wilhelm's ethics into the 
conversation and not fine for me to be skeptical about a salespersons 
report to you?

You wrote, "Contact me off line if you have other questions about 
Inkpress products."

Uh huh.

About helping other people,  

YO PEOPLE . . .CAVEAT EMPTOR

But most folks here already know that so I don't feel I need to say 
much about it.

I found your rant quite amusing.  Man, you're going to give yourself ulcers.
The question for you is why you would attack someone who helped answer a
list member's question when you obviously have no interest in the product
that was the subject of the thread?  It seems that you're the one with the
stake in sales of papers since you hide behind your wall of anonimity
supporting Wilhelm and enthusiastically deterring people from buying papers
that don't have his stamp of approval.  Sounds rather suspicious to me.  Oh,
and by the way, when I have a question about Inkpress products, I speak
directly to the vice president of the company, that's why I offered to
answer anyone's questions.

Michael J. Pach
AdventureCam Photo
719-260-6637
mike@...
www.adventurecamphoto.com
AOL IM: mikep1967


MJP, "Perhaps you were expecting Henry Wilhelm himself to answer a

question that no one else did. I'm sure you would have trusted his

opinion even though he has more of a stake in the sale of papers than

anyone on this planet.Or perhaps you could have taken the time to use

your energy in a positive way and do the reasearch necessary to help

someone, but I guess it makes you feel more powerful to be cynical

and question someone's ethics."

Not exactly, It just saves me money to be cynical about

manufacturer's claims.

You see, you wrote, "I spoke with my Inkpress rep and was told the

Inkpress Luster is the same as Epson's as far as fade resistance and

longevity.

LOL!. What reports did the rep offer? How does the rep know what he

or she is talking about? What reports other than his or her boss's

word has the rep seen. Did the rep describe in detail how the fade

resistance and "longevity" of inkpress papers are tested? (Wilhelm

does) Where are the results published?

Ever heard the words, "KODAK paper"? They said about the same thing

about their products.

Question? Why is it fine for you to call Wilhelm's ethics into the

conversation and not fine for me to be skeptical about a salespersons

report to you?

You wrote, "Contact me off line if you have other questions about

Inkpress products."

Uh huh.

About helping other people,

YO PEOPLE . . .CAVEAT EMPTOR

But most folks here already know that so I don't feel I need to say

much about it.

--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 5/19/2006


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Michael,

I just bought some Inkpress Photo Chrome Luster in 8.5x11 from my local 
dealer, and have been experimenting, comparing it with other papers that 
I have on hand, and so far I am very pleased with the results.

Rem

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "AdventureCam 
Photo" <email@...> wrote:
>
> I found your rant quite amusing.  Man, you're going to give 
yourself ulcers.
> The question for you is why you would attack someone who helped 
answer a
> list member's question when you obviously have no interest in the 
product
> that was the subject of the thread?  It seems that you're the one 
with the
> stake in sales of papers since you hide behind your wall of 
anonimity
> supporting Wilhelm and enthusiastically deterring people from 
buying papers
> that don't have his stamp of approval.  Sounds rather suspicious to 
me.  Oh,
> and by the way, when I have a question about Inkpress products, I 
speak
> directly to the vice president of the company, that's why I offered 
to
> answer anyone's questions.
> 
> Michael J. Pach
> AdventureCam Photo
> 719-260-6637
> mike@...
> www.adventurecamphoto.com
> AOL IM: mikep1967
> 
> 
I found your rant quite amusing.  Man, you're going to give yourself 
ulcers.
The question for you is why you would attack someone who helped 
answer a
list member's question when you obviously have no interest in the 
product
that was the subject of the thread?





Sorry you feel "attacked". My response to your initial post where you 
touted Inkpress papers was rather mild. You were not attacked in any 
way. Here is the post (#77630) in which you feel that you were being 
attacked.


YOU . . .
>I spoke with my Inkpress rep and was told the Inkpress Luster is the
same as Epson's as far as fade resistance and longevity.  Contact me 
off line
if you have other questions about Inkpress products.

ME: "Well, perhaps someone other that a person who has a stake in the 
sales
of a product might be a better judge of fade, longevity, etc. of a
given product."


So . . .where is the attack, and who or what exactly is being 
attacked?


Perhaps you perceive that I meant you as someone with a stake in the 
sales was you. Sorry for the confusion. In this post I mean the rep 
as the person having a stake in the sales of Inkpress papers, not you.

What I'm questioning is reliance in a sales person as a source of 
unbiased opinion about a given product, in this case Inkpress paper. 
THE PERSON MAY BE RIGHT  . . . however  . .  where is the proof other 
than the person's words?

You haven't answered the questions I posed in post #77642

What reports did the rep offer? 

How does the rep know what he or she is talking about? 

What reports other than his or her boss's word has the rep seen?

Did the rep describe in detail how the fade resistance 
and "longevity" of Inkpress papers are tested? 

Where are the results published?

?Why is it fine for you to call Wilhelm's ethics into the 
conversation and not fine for me to be skeptical about a salespersons 
report to you?

Show me the independent tests, show me something more than a company 
man's story and I'll show them the money.

Jules