Digital BW, The Print

Hello All,

I have finally completed my testing with the MIS UT-R2 inks for the
R200/220.  My initial results have just been posted as article #10 at
the link below.  It describes how to make a variable tone inkset using
a combination of R2-W and R2-N inks that can be controlled with the
slider controls in the Epson driver.  I'm very pleased with the
results and have created a set of sample prints that closely match the
BO versions on the same papers, so they can be compared strictly on
technical merits.

I don't have a 220, so would be very interested to hear from any 220
users who try this approach.  I'm interested in whatever differences
there might be.

I also have not tried it with PK on any of the new Silver Rag type
papers (still waiting for cut sheets).  So I'll be very interested in
hearing from anyone who tries this.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Wow, great article Clayton!  I can't wait to try it.  I think this 
sounds like a perfect alternative for those of us who maybe don't 
want to dive in to the 3D inks yet :)

Brian
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> 
> I have finally completed my testing with the MIS UT-R2 inks for the
> R200/220.  My initial results have just been posted as article #10 
at
> the link below.  It describes how to make a variable tone inkset 
using
> a combination of R2-W and R2-N inks that can be controlled with the
> slider controls in the Epson driver.  I'm very pleased with the
> results and have created a set of sample prints that closely match 
the
> BO versions on the same papers, so they can be compared strictly on
> technical merits.
> 
> I don't have a 220, so would be very interested to hear from any 
220
> users who try this approach.  I'm interested in whatever 
differences
> there might be.
> 
> I also have not tried it with PK on any of the new Silver Rag type
> papers (still waiting for cut sheets).  So I'll be very interested 
in

> hearing from anyone who tries this.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

I agree, start simple.  With the 220 and R2 you'll be able to get down the
learning curve and not waste much at all.  Learn the sliders, the ICCs, etc.
Then if you later want more control, the printer and even some of the R2
inks are not wasted.  The R2 warm inks as well as the Eboni are used in the
3D inkset.  Also, this gives us some time to get down the 3D learning curve,
get more ICCs done, and try to get the QC up to where I want it -- which is
higher than the ink industry is accustomed to, including the suppliers to
MIS.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> Chapman
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:21 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: R2 Variable Tone - New Article
> 
> Wow, great article Clayton!  I can't wait to try it.  I think this
> sounds like a perfect alternative for those of us who maybe don't
> want to dive in to the 3D inks yet :)
> 
> Brian
> http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
> <cj@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have finally completed my testing with the MIS UT-R2 inks for the
> > R200/220.  My initial results have just been posted as article #10
> at
> > the link below.  It describes how to make a variable tone inkset
> using
> > a combination of R2-W and R2-N inks that can be controlled with the
> > slider controls in the Epson driver.  I'm very pleased with the
> > results and have created a set of sample prints that closely match
> the
> > BO versions on the same papers, so they can be compared strictly on
> > technical merits.
> >
> > I don't have a 220, so would be very interested to hear from any
> 220
> > users who try this approach.  I'm interested in whatever
> differences
> > there might be.
> >
> > I also have not tried it with PK on any of the new Silver Rag type
> > papers (still waiting for cut sheets).  So I'll be very interested
> in
> > hearing from anyone who tries this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> >
> >
> > Info on black and white digital printing at
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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This mixture of inks that Clayton is using reminds me UT7 inkset.
On R200 I am using UT7 with UTFSN-4-Y in Y position.
So I guess most of workflow recommendations from this article will 
be applicable to UT7 too.

--Sergei

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I agree, start simple.  With the 220 and R2 you'll be able to get 
down the
> learning curve and not waste much at all.  Learn the sliders, the 
ICCs, etc.
> Then if you later want more control, the printer and even some of 
the R2
> inks are not wasted.  The R2 warm inks as well as the Eboni are 
used in the
> 3D inkset.  Also, this gives us some time to get down the 3D 
learning curve,
> get more ICCs done, and try to get the QC up to where I want it -- 
which is
> higher than the ink industry is accustomed to, including the 
suppliers to
> MIS.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Brian
> > Chapman
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:21 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: R2 Variable Tone - New Article
> > 
> > Wow, great article Clayton!  I can't wait to try it.  I think 
this
> > sounds like a perfect alternative for those of us who maybe don't
> > want to dive in to the 3D inks yet :)
> > 
> > Brian
> > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones"
> > <cj@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I have finally completed my testing with the MIS UT-R2 inks 
for the
> > > R200/220.  My initial results have just been posted as article 
#10
> > at
> > > the link below.  It describes how to make a variable tone 
inkset
> > using
> > > a combination of R2-W and R2-N inks that can be controlled 
with the
> > > slider controls in the Epson driver.  I'm very pleased with the
> > > results and have created a set of sample prints that closely 
match
> > the
> > > BO versions on the same papers, so they can be compared 
strictly on
> > > technical merits.
> > >
> > > I don't have a 220, so would be very interested to hear from 
any
> > 220
> > > users who try this approach.  I'm interested in whatever
> > differences
> > > there might be.
> > >
> > > I also have not tried it with PK on any of the new Silver Rag 
type
> > > papers (still waiting for cut sheets).  So I'll be very 
interested

> > in
> > > hearing from anyone who tries this.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Clayton
> > >
> > >
> > > Info on black and white digital printing at
> > > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> > >

Hello Brian,

>Wow, great article Clayton!  I can't wait to try it.  I think this 
>sounds like a perfect alternative for those of us who maybe don't 
>want to dive in to the 3D inks yet :)

I have been very impressed with the quality so far.  Obviously there
are many ways to use the sliders, so there's lots of room for
experimenting.  I hope other users will report their results here.  

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hey Clayton,

I ordered the warm inkset yesterday so I'll be trying it out shortly 
(as long as the post office doesn't "misroute" *another* of my 
packages).  I'll report back soon.

I also just got a box of the new Innova Ftype Gloss so I'll try that 
out with the variable tone method as well.  

Thanks!

Brian
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
> 
> >Wow, great article Clayton!  I can't wait to try it.  I think 
this 
> >sounds like a perfect alternative for those of us who maybe don't 
> >want to dive in to the 3D inks yet :)
> 
> I have been very impressed with the quality so far.  Obviously 
there
> are many ways to use the sliders, so there's lots of room for
> experimenting.  I hope other users will report their results 
here.  

> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>