Digital BW, The Print

Since receiving my 1280 last week (eBay purchase) I have been
experimenting with Paul's curves, and Clayton's guidelines for BO
printing, using UT2 inks.  On a lark I decided to try BO only
printing using the stock Epson black cartridge, and was surprised to
see that the results were really quite nice.  Are there any reasons (I
guess cost would be one) why using Epson black for BO printing is not
a good idea?  

Cheers,

Rem

Hello Rem,

>Since receiving my 1280 last week...Are there any reasons (I
>guess cost would be one) why using Epson black for BO printing 
>is not a good idea?  

I'm pretty sure the stock 1280 ink is dye, so it will fade rather
quickly.  But it certainly does produce nice looking BO prints.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> Hello Rem,
>
>   
>> Since receiving my 1280 last week...Are there any reasons (I
>> guess cost would be one) why using Epson black for BO printing 
>> is not a good idea?  
>>     
>
> I'm pretty sure the stock 1280 ink is dye, so it will fade rather
> quickly.  But it certainly does produce nice looking BO prints.
>
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>   



Thanks, Clayton.  I didn't even think about the ink material itself.  
That's OK, I love the UT2 ink, and I just ordered the refill kit today. 

Cheers,

Rem

Rem, yes the Epson 1280 K is dye and fades.
Plus it's too warm for my taste.
And, it's very expensive.

I swear by MIS Eboni. But before Eboni existed I used another
manufacturers K ink just so I wouldn't have to use the Epson dye.

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Rem,
> 
> >Since receiving my 1280 last week...Are there any reasons (I
> >guess cost would be one) why using Epson black for BO printing 
> >is not a good idea?  
> 
> I'm pretty sure the stock 1280 ink is dye, so it will fade rather
> quickly.  But it certainly does produce nice looking BO prints.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

> Rem, yes the Epson 1280 K is dye and fades.
> Plus it's too warm for my taste.
> And, it's very expensive.
>
> I swear by MIS Eboni. But before Eboni existed I used another
> manufacturers K ink just so I wouldn't have to use the Epson dye.
>
> Bob Michaels
>
>   

You know, that's interesting, Bob.  I printed with the 1280 K on 
Inkpress Photo Chrome Luster and the result was quite neutral to my 
eye.  But you are right, with Eboni available who needs it.  I was just 
kind of experimenting while I wait for my bulk Eboni and refill kit to 
arrive.  I am curious about what paper you and others are using for BO 
with Eboni.  I have been using Kayenta, but I would like to find a paper 
with a cooler look to it, and if you or anybody else would like to offer 
a suggestion I would appreciate it.

Cheers,

Rem

Rem: neutrality certainly is in the eye of the viewer. For paper info
see Clayton Jones article "the great paper chase" at
http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn5.htm

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rem P Roberti
<remegius@...> wrote:
> 
> You know, that's interesting, Bob.  I printed with the 1280 K on 
> Inkpress Photo Chrome Luster and the result was quite neutral to my 
> eye.  But you are right, with Eboni available who needs it.  I was just 
> kind of experimenting while I wait for my bulk Eboni and refill kit to 
> arrive.  I am curious about what paper you and others are using for BO 
> with Eboni.  I have been using Kayenta, but I would like to find a
paper 
> with a cooler look to it, and if you or anybody else would like to
offer 

> a suggestion I would appreciate it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rem
>

Hello Rem,

>...with Eboni.  I have been using Kayenta, but I would like to find a 
>paper with a cooler look to it, 

As far as I know, Kayenta is the coolest paper out there for Eboni BO.
 I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I've tried a lot of them and so
far it's the coolest.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> Hello Rem,
>
>   
>> ...with Eboni.  I have been using Kayenta, but I would like to find a 
>> paper with a cooler look to it, 
>>     
>
> As far as I know, Kayenta is the coolest paper out there for Eboni BO.
>  I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I've tried a lot of them and so
> far it's the coolest.
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>   

Hi Clayton,

I took the prints that I made with Kayenta outside for another look, and 
they can hardly be called warm.  I think what happened is that I had 
them laying next to other prints that I had made on semi-gloss paper 
using the Paul's "cool" curve for UT2, and the juxtaposition made the 
Kayenta prints look a little warm.

Cheers,

Rem

Hello Rem,

>I took the prints that I made with Kayenta outside for another look, 
>and they can hardly be called warm.  I think what happened is that 
>I had them laying next to other prints that I had made on semi-gloss 
>paper using the Paul's "cool" curve for UT2, and the juxtaposition 
>made the Kayenta prints look a little warm.

That makes sense.  It's real easy for the eye to be fooled.  When I'm
working up a new image in ABW and trying to decide what settings to
use, I make myself take occasional breaks and go do something else for
a few minutes.  When I return my eyes have adjusted and things often
look different.  Many times I've gone to bed satisfied with something
and the next morning didn't like it.  

I also look at things under different light sources.  I have 5000K
"full spectrum" flourescents in my work room, and can easily see
subtle differences between prints (which I sometimes agonize over). 
But take them into a room with tungsten lights and I can't tell them
apart. 


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm