Digital BW, The Print

To follow up on Ryan's post---sort of.
I, too, have a 3800 ordered.  I've been printing with a 2200 since it came 
out (after a number of years with a 1280) and have used QTR for mono 
printing for a good while.  Metamerism has been the major reason for using 
QTR, so, for those that have K3 printers, my question--is it now possible to 
print a mono (or even split toned) image as an ARGB image instead of going 
into ABW to defeat metamerism (assume a custom paper profile)?  I 
procrastinated for enough years about not making my 1280 a dedicated b/w 
printer---and now--am I faced with making the 2200 that dedicated printer? 
If so--I'm sort of defeating one of the reasons I'm buying the 3800--to 
print using larger media at times.   I might add that 'neutral' prints are 
not my goal--I always prefer toned to some degree.

I have to say the ongoing discussion about the recent print comparison has 
prompted this line of thinking.

Thanks--and sorry Ryan for highjacking this a bit--but we are both 
interested in the same thing---excellent mono prints.  I'm looking forward 
to the answers you get about inksets papers, etc.---though I know this has 
been covered quite a bit before here---but searching sometimes on the Yahoo 
page can be frustrating.

Diane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan" <rdesjardin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 Piezography K7


I'm waiting for the shipment of my new printer and I'm considering
making my Epson 2200 a full time black & white printer using the
Piezography inks.

I was hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this
combination and any suggestions for alternatives, papers, or anything
else I should know about the set up.

Is the K7 set the way to go?
Is there another alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
Are users printing on matte rag or other papers more often?
Any other thoughts?

I would imagine that it has been discussed before, but you are right, 
searching these group forums can be a real pain, and I'd like to get 
any fresh perspectives out there.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields" 
<picnic@...> wrote:
>
> To follow up on Ryan's post---sort of.
> I, too, have a 3800 ordered.  I've been printing with a 2200 since 
it came 
> out (after a number of years with a 1280) and have used QTR for 
mono 
> printing for a good while.  Metamerism has been the major reason 
for using 
> QTR, so, for those that have K3 printers, my question--is it now 
possible to 
> print a mono (or even split toned) image as an ARGB image instead 
of going 
> into ABW to defeat metamerism (assume a custom paper profile)?  I 
> procrastinated for enough years about not making my 1280 a 
dedicated b/w 
> printer---and now--am I faced with making the 2200 that dedicated 
printer? 
> If so--I'm sort of defeating one of the reasons I'm buying the 3800-
-to 
> print using larger media at times.   I might add that 'neutral' 
prints are 
> not my goal--I always prefer toned to some degree.
> 
> I have to say the ongoing discussion about the recent print 
comparison has 
> prompted this line of thinking.
> 
> Thanks--and sorry Ryan for highjacking this a bit--but we are both 
> interested in the same thing---excellent mono prints.  I'm looking 
forward 
> to the answers you get about inksets papers, etc.---though I know 
this has 
> been covered quite a bit before here---but searching sometimes on 
the Yahoo 
> page can be frustrating.
> 
> Diane
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan" <rdesjardin@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:53 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 Piezography K7
> 
> 
> I'm waiting for the shipment of my new printer and I'm considering
> making my Epson 2200 a full time black & white printer using the
> Piezography inks.
> 
> I was hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this
> combination and any suggestions for alternatives, papers, or 
anything

> else I should know about the set up.
> 
> Is the K7 set the way to go?
> Is there another alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
> Are users printing on matte rag or other papers more often?
> Any other thoughts?
>

In a message dated 11/19/2006 12:18:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rdesjardin@... writes:

I was  hoping to get some feedback as to the opinions of this 
combination and any  suggestions for alternatives, papers, or anything 
else I should know about  the set up.

Is the K7 set the way to go?
Is there another  alternative by Piezography or another manufacturer?
Are users printing on  matte rag or other papers more often?
Any other  thoughts?





I have been running a 4000 with NK 7's QTR and find the print quality  really 
excellent. I get very soft, smooth tones suitable to a lot of images. I  used 
to run a 1280 with Piezo cold tone inks, then added 2 bottles of warm light  
gray, and I got really nice prints.
What I have found, is that some images can be printed neutral, while others  
ask for tones and contrasts that neutral will not give you. 
I am running a 4800 with ABW and I'm almost satisfied with the adjustments  
possible there. I tried Mediastreet's G Quad set in a 2200, and with Silver 
rag,  I am really feeling the juices running. I might run those inks in my 7600, 
since  the 7 ink set allows matte and luster papers in the same machine. Even 
so, the  NK 7 will still be running, because it suits so many of my negatives. 
HTH.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)


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