Digital BW, The Print

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From: Todd Flashner [mailto:tflash@...]
Sent: lunedì 21 gennaio 2002 18.51
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally


on 1/21/02 12:38 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:

> Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am
> wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be
> beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky.

In my experience with Kodak and Konica infrared films, evergreen trees emit
much less infrared radiation than deciduous trees. They might be a bit
brighter than on regular BW film, but not white like your leaf droppers.

But then I usually use an orange filter, as I don't go for an intense
effect, and that's with film, so YMMV.

Todd


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alessandro Pardi 
  To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:09 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Infrared (was: Shooting Digitally)


  Hi all,

  I was wondering if it's really necessary to use filters at all: I can't
  believe it's not possible to start from a color image in Photoshop and
  simulate infrared in the B&W conversion - lighten green, darken blue...
  Shouldn't be so hard...

  Alessandro Pardi

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Todd Flashner [mailto:tflash@earthlink.net]
  Sent: lunedì 21 gennaio 2002 18.51
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally


  on 1/21/02 12:38 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:

  > Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am
  > wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be
  > beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky.

  In my experience with Kodak and Konica infrared films, evergreen trees emit
  much less infrared radiation than deciduous trees. They might be a bit
  brighter than on regular BW film, but not white like your leaf droppers.

  But then I usually use an orange filter, as I don't go for an intense
  effect, and that's with film, so YMMV.

  Todd


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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering if it's really necessary to use filters at all: I can't
> believe it's not possible to start from a color image in Photoshop and
> simulate infrared in the B&W conversion - lighten green, darken blue...
> Shouldn't be so hard...
> 
> Alessandro Pardi
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Flashner [mailto:tflash@...]
> Sent: luned\ufffd 21 gennaio 2002 18.51
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
> 
> on 1/21/02 12:38 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:
> 
> > Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am
> > wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be
> > beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky.
> 
> In my experience with Kodak and Konica infrared films, evergreen trees emit
> much less infrared radiation than deciduous trees. They might be a bit
> brighter than on regular BW film, but not white like your leaf droppers.
> 
> But then I usually use an orange filter, as I don't go for an intense
> effect, and that's with film, so YMMV.
> 
> Todd
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: p5198 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Infrared (was: Shooting Digitally)


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
  <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
  > I tried it, it doesn't work. If you know a way, let us know!  That 
  would
  > even be better than a filter, if it works. But I don't know how 
  you'd
  > get the greens to go nearly white and still look right.
  > 
  > Jerry
  > 

  Jerry,
  I think you own a pretty good source for counterfeiting IR with 
  Photoshop. Martin Evening explains his technique in *Adobe Photoshop 
  6.0 for Photographers*: "Black and White Effects", pp342-343. Looks 
  like IR film, though, with its lovely, indistinct quality rather than 
  the equally wonderful pin-sharpness of digital IR.
  Bob Bollini


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On Monday 21 Jan 2002 6:09 pm, Alessandro Pardi wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if it's really necessary to use filters at all: I can't
> believe it's not possible to start from a color image in Photoshop and
> simulate infrared in the B&W conversion - lighten green, darken blue...
> Shouldn't be so hard...
>
> Alessandro Pardi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Flashner [mailto:tflash@...]
> Sent: luned\ufffd 21 gennaio 2002 18.51
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
>
> on 1/21/02 12:38 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:
> > Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am
> > wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be
> > beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky.
>
> In my experience with Kodak and Konica infrared films, evergreen trees emit
> much less infrared radiation than deciduous trees. They might be a bit
> brighter than on regular BW film, but not white like your leaf droppers.
>
> But then I usually use an orange filter, as I don't go for an intense
> effect, and that's with film, so YMMV.
>
> Todd
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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On Monday 21 Jan 2002 9:29 pm, Diane Fields wrote:
> Bob, just a note.  I had tried a simulation of HIE IR film in several of my
> IRs with information from someone who shoots both digital and film.  I
> would have to find the URL again.   The ones I did have a much different
> look from my 'normal' digital IR's.
>
> I just looked at the pages you suggested---interesting--I guess I glossed
> over that at some point LOL.  I'll just have to try it for fun.
>
> Diane
> ----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@...
> photo site    http://www.pbase.com/picnic
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: p5198
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Infrared (was: Shooting Digitally)
>
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
>
>   <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>   > I tried it, it doesn't work. If you know a way, let us know!  That
>
>   would
>
>   > even be better than a filter, if it works. But I don't know how
>
>   you'd
>
>   > get the greens to go nearly white and still look right.
>   >
>   > Jerry
>
>   Jerry,
>   I think you own a pretty good source for counterfeiting IR with
>   Photoshop. Martin Evening explains his technique in *Adobe Photoshop
>   6.0 for Photographers*: "Black and White Effects", pp342-343. Looks
>   like IR film, though, with its lovely, indistinct quality rather than
>   the equally wonderful pin-sharpness of digital IR.
>   Bob Bollini
>
>
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> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > I tried it, it doesn't work. If you know a way, let us know!  That
> would
> > even be better than a filter, if it works. But I don't know how
> you'd
> > get the greens to go nearly white and still look right.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> 
> Jerry,
> I think you own a pretty good source for counterfeiting IR with
> Photoshop. Martin Evening explains his technique in *Adobe Photoshop
> 6.0 for Photographers*: "Black and White Effects", pp342-343. Looks
> like IR film, though, with its lovely, indistinct quality rather than
> the equally wonderful pin-sharpness of digital IR.
> Bob Bollini
> 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Infrared (was: Shooting Digitally)


  I have the book, unfortunately its for Photoshop 5.

  Jerry



  p5198 wrote:
  > 
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
  > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
  > > I tried it, it doesn't work. If you know a way, let us know!  That
  > would
  > > even be better than a filter, if it works. But I don't know how
  > you'd
  > > get the greens to go nearly white and still look right.
  > >
  > > Jerry
  > >
  > 
  > Jerry,
  > I think you own a pretty good source for counterfeiting IR with
  > Photoshop. Martin Evening explains his technique in *Adobe Photoshop
  > 6.0 for Photographers*: "Black and White Effects", pp342-343. Looks
  > like IR film, though, with its lovely, indistinct quality rather than
  > the equally wonderful pin-sharpness of digital IR.
  > Bob Bollini
  > 
  > 
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