Digital BW, The Print

I hope you consider this on topic.  I just purchased this my second 
V700, having returned the first one because the on light continued to 
flash red.  The second one does the same.  Both times I have spent 
considerable time troubleshooting with Epson with no success.  I have 
a fairly new and powerful Windows XP computer.  It is connected via 
USB2.  I've tried 3 differed USD cables.  Has anyone experienced the 
same problem?  Any suggestions?  I would Really appreciate any help.  
I have borrowed 97 75-100 year-old glass plate negatives, which I have 
to return tomorrow.  Nancy

I did get the firewire and installed it.  Finally, and even though I 
had looked at the diagram a dozen times, I switched the position of 
the outside lock, and the scanner started working.
 
Now, my probem is that I cannot get a scan of the plates.  I have 
tried using the OEM software, SiliverFast, and VueScan, which I have 
downloaded.  I am using a B & W negative setting, as I don't know 
whatr else to use; but I have tried other settings as well.  Nothing 
seems to bring up an image.  
 
Any suggestions?
 
I am not offended at anything, because sometimes it takes a fresh 
look at things to get it right.
 
Nancy--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy 
Wilson" <nancyewilson@...> wrote:
>
> I hope you consider this on topic.  I just purchased this my second 
> V700, having returned the first one because the on light continued 
to 
> flash red.  The second one does the same.  Both times I have spent 
> considerable time troubleshooting with Epson with no success.  I 
have 
> a fairly new and powerful Windows XP computer.  It is connected via 
> USB2.  I've tried 3 differed USD cables.  Has anyone experienced 
the 
> same problem?  Any suggestions?  I would Really appreciate any 
help.  
> I have borrowed 97 75-100 year-old glass plate negatives, which I 
have 
> to return tomorrow.  Nancy
>

Nancy Wilson wrote:

> Any suggestions?

The lamp house on top is connected with the plug in the scanner ?

Removed the white foam/black plastic insert from the underside 
of the lamp house that's there for reflective scanning only 
and will block light for film scanning ?

You set it on scanning film in one of the drivers you use ?

If that set of glass plates has to be back today I don't think 
that we can't get through the learning curve fast enough.

Best wishes.


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I am going to return the 100-box lot and ask to bring back only 10 so that I can figure this out (get through the learning curve).  So keep the suggestions coming.  Thanks.  Nancy

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Thanks, Ernst, I took out the document plate and did get a scan.  Used Epson's software and the transparency (positive) setting and got a faint image.  It is nothing like the clarity I see on a light box.
   
  Is it the scanner (Epson V700).  Someone on another forum where I was lurking suggested that a scanner with a pull-out drawer like the Microtek is needed for glass negatives.
   
  I'm replying to Ernst, but anyone can jump in here.  I really need help.  Thanks.  Nancy


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Hi Nancy:
I don't have a V700 (I use an older Epson) but here are a few things to 
check:
1. Is the head moving when you click on "Scan" or whatever the item is that 
starts the Preview or scan process? You should be able to hear a soft 
humming as the head moves. When you say "the scanner started working" do you 
mean only that the red light stopped flashing or that you get the scan 
dialog or that the machine hums a bit and then comes back to an interactive 
dialog without displaying an image?
2. Is the scan dialog Document Type set to Reflective or Transmission? 
Sometimes Tranmissive is called Film. For your plates, you obviously want it 
set on Transmissive/Film. In the same area of the dialog on my machine, 
there is a setting for "Document Source"  and that needs to be set to Film 
in your case.
3. If the head moves, does the scanning light turn on when you click 
Preview? You can usually see the light at the edge of the platen, even with 
the cover closed.
4. If all of the above are OK, do you get a preview image displayed on the 
monitor. In other words, is it the final scan that you can't get or are you 
not seeing the preview _or_ the final scan?
5. If you can see a final scan result on the monitor but can't get it into 
Photoshop, try exiting the scan dialog after you get the final scan 
displayed. With my Epson software, I have to exit the dialog before I can 
manipulate the image in Photoshop.

Hope this helps...
Bert

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www.astronomy-images.com
www.visionlightgallery.com/katzung/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nancy Wilson" <nancyewilson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson V700 Scanner


I did get the firewire and installed it.  Finally, and even though I
had looked at the diagram a dozen times, I switched the position of
the outside lock, and the scanner started working.

Now, my probem is that I cannot get a scan of the plates.  I have
tried using the OEM software, SiliverFast, and VueScan, which I have
downloaded.  I am using a B & W negative setting, as I don't know
whatr else to use; but I have tried other settings as well.  Nothing
seems to bring up an image.

Any suggestions?

I am not offended at anything, because sometimes it takes a fresh
look at things to get it right.

Nancy--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy
Wilson" <nancyewilson@...> wrote:
>
> I hope you consider this on topic.  I just purchased this my second
> V700, having returned the first one because the on light continued
to
> flash red.  The second one does the same.  Both times I have spent
> considerable time troubleshooting with Epson with no success.  I
have
> a fairly new and powerful Windows XP computer.  It is connected via
> USB2.  I've tried 3 differed USD cables.  Has anyone experienced
the
> same problem?  Any suggestions?  I would Really appreciate any
help.
> I have borrowed 97 75-100 year-old glass plate negatives, which I
have
> to return tomorrow.  Nancy
>

Years ago I scanned glass negs for our local museum on an old (but  
great!) AGFA 1200 SCSI scanner. It did not have a pullout tray for  
negs, and my results were similar to yours. I don't think there's as  
much density in the negs as you may think. i had to really work them  
over in the settings for the AGFA scanner and then again in  
Photoshop. This probably won't be easy:(

Can't offer any advice about tray type scanners, never used one.

Good luck, Alan

On Dec 29, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Nancy Wilson wrote:

> Thanks, Ernst, I took out the document plate and did get a scan.  
> Used Epson's software and the transparency (positive) setting and  
> got a faint image. It is nothing like the clarity I see on a light  
> box.
>
> Is it the scanner (Epson V700). Someone on another forum where I  
> was lurking suggested that a scanner with a pull-out drawer like  
> the Microtek is needed for glass negatives.
>
> I'm replying to Ernst, but anyone can jump in here. I really need  
> help. Thanks. Nancy

Nancy,
You must make sure you "select" the area you want scanned. Don't have any
extraneous area outside the negative included in the scan as this will mess
up (confuse) any exposure settings you might have. Try selecting in very
tight to the image and see if the scan result is any different. Also, why
would you use the "positive" setting, since it is in fact a negative? Or
will you fix that later on in Photoshop? Not knowing anything more about
your set up makes it difficult to suggest anything else.
 
Good luck.
 
Bob

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Wilson
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spam:*******, [Digital BW] Re: Epson V700 Scanner
 
Thanks, Ernst, I took out the document plate and did get a scan. Used
Epson's software and the transparency (positive) setting and got a faint
image. It is nothing like the clarity I see on a light box.

Is it the scanner (Epson V700). Someone on another forum where I was lurking
suggested that a scanner with a pull-out drawer like the Microtek is needed
for glass negatives.

I'm replying to Ernst, but anyone can jump in here. I really need help.
Thanks. Nancy

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Thank you Alan, Ernst, Robert, Bert, Lloyd, and Thomas.  You have sent very good and specific instructions with even one offer to call when I when I am at the computer and scanner with a glass plate ready to scan.  What a wonderful, supportive group.   I am out of town for the weekend but can hardly wait to get home and try again.  The owners of the negatives have agreed to let me take 20 at a time to scan.  After I get one good scan, I'll clean them according to instructions of a conservator with whom I am trying to get in touch; then I'll scan them again.  Many of the glass negatives are starting to get in bad shape with some mold, possibly fungus starting, and considerable fading on several of the approximate 200 total plates.  
   
  These people, with whom I grew up in Northern rural Michigan, purchased the rural house (shack) and land of a deceased 94-year old man (bachelor) in the 70's.  He most likely started making images with a 5x7 view camera at the turn of the century and continued well into his 70's or 80's.  He was considered eccentric all of his adult life by most of his neighbors.  When my friends went into the house, after distant relatives took what they wanted and vandals had looted whatever little possesions they thought of value, they found these plates (but no printed pictures) lying around here and there.  They now have them sorted, in cotton envelopes, but they are stored in the attic of a barn.  We have talked about them loaning them to a local library or historic society so they can be conserved.
   
  Sorry I have gone on, but I think this is a very interesting story.  I hope to be able to post some of the more interesting images on line as this project moves along.
   
  I am also offering to refile the plates and store them with archival materials and print out archival copies from the digital files for them as well as their local library, so this is a year-long project.  I am sure I will be coming to this group often and at all stages.  Again, my heartfelt thanks.  Many blessings for the season.
   
  Nancy
   
   




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Hello Nancy,

>...so this is a year-long project...

Very interesting story.  Please keep us updated as the project moves
along.  If he spent a lifetime taking pics he most likely developed a
good eye, so I look forward to seeing some of his work.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Boy Nancy, this sounds so very much like the glass negs I got to work  
with:) They were found, abandoned, nearly thrown away. Many had  
chipped corners, most had mold/mildew growing on them. Luckily they  
were turned over to a very small museum in Northern California, in  
the Redwood timber area 3 hours north of San Francisco. The museum  
had taken great care to put them all in acid free glassine envelopes  
but to NOT clean them. In their eyes cleaning them would ruin their  
historic value.

Besides scanning some of the better negatives I taught the staff how  
to make contact prints. I built their darkroom just for this project  
and they have volunteers follow my instructions. These plates ran  
from 4x5 to 8x10 and were a real honor to work with. I found it  
amazing to see the changes on our fragile forestry ecosystem in just  
a short 80 years or so.

Redwood trees grow to 15 feet or more in diameter, get up to 70% of  
their water from coastal fog, and "sprout" shoots from the trunks,  
never as majestic as they once were. Once cut the areas turn into  
hardwood and poison oak fields.

Like Clayton I'd love to here how this project goes for you.

Alan

On Dec 30, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Nancy Wilson wrote:

> Thank you Alan, Ernst, Robert, Bert, Lloyd, and Thomas. You have  
> sent very good and specific instructions with even one offer to  
> call when I when I am at the computer and scanner with a glass  
> plate ready to scan. What a wonderful, supportive group. I am out  
> of town for the weekend but can hardly wait to get home and try  
> again. The owners of the negatives have agreed to let me take 20 at  
> a time to scan. After I get one good scan, I'll clean them  
> according to instructions of a conservator with whom I am trying to  
> get in touch; then I'll scan them again. Many of the glass  
> negatives are starting to get in bad shape with some mold, possibly  
> fungus starting, and considerable fading on several of the  
> approximate 200 total plates.
>
> These people, with whom I grew up in Northern rural Michigan,  
> purchased the rural house (shack) and land of a deceased 94-year  
> old man (bachelor) in the 70's. He most likely started making  
> images with a 5x7 view camera at the turn of the century and  
> continued well into his 70's or 80's. He was considered eccentric  
> all of his adult life by most of his neighbors. When my friends  
> went into the house, after distant relatives took what they wanted  
> and vandals had looted whatever little possesions they thought of  
> value, they found these plates (but no printed pictures) lying  
> around here and there. They now have them sorted, in cotton  
> envelopes, but they are stored in the attic of a barn. We have  
> talked about them loaning them to a local library or historic  
> society so they can be conserved.
>
> Sorry I have gone on, but I think this is a very interesting story.  
> I hope to be able to post some of the more interesting images on  
> line as this project moves along.
>
> I am also offering to refile the plates and store them with  
> archival materials and print out archival copies from the digital  
> files for them as well as their local library, so this is a year- 
> long project. I am sure I will be coming to this group often and at  
> all stages. Again, my heartfelt thanks. Many blessings for the season.
>
> Nancy

Has anyone looked at the specs for the HP G4050 scanner?  It scans in six 
colors, according to what I can find.  I am primarily looking for a good B&W 
scanner for film and prints, but this seemed an interesting compromise 
against the Epson V700 and V750.  It seems hard to justify the Epson scanner 
cost when my R220 printers were less than $100 each.

I would also be open to other scanners that are low cost.  Because I need to 
do a little photo restoration, I don't want to get a scanner dedicated to 
film only.  I also have a number of prints I made from the "olden days" of 
wet darkroom that I want to play with.

Thanks.

Frank Vincent

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Frank Vincent wrote:
> Has anyone looked at the specs for the HP G4050 scanner?  It scans in six 
> colors, according to what I can find.  I am primarily looking for a good B&W 
> scanner for film and prints, but this seemed an interesting compromise 
> against the Epson V700 and V750.  


I'm interested in the six color scanning like I'm interested 
in the N-color printers so I had my eye on any signs of actual 
distribution of the G4050 - G4010. I do not believe they are 
available yet. Price is much lower than the V700 etc but their 
film scanning is also more limited in size. I don't think the 
6 channel solution will contribute to color film scanning 
either as an RGB scanner suits the CMY dye layers of film 
well. An exception could be the Fuji color films with the 
extra dye layer. I'm interested in reflective scanning of art 
work made with several pigments, wonder what the 6 channels 
offer then and how to get most of the data (96 bits too if I 
recall it correctly) to an N-color printer like the HP Z3100 
or the other ones around. A4 size is limited of course but 
this can be the beginning of a trend in digital imaging.

6 color is of course completely at the other end of the 
spectrum if one is looking for a B&W scanner. It is a shame 
that there are no longer high end monochrome scanners made but 
you could check whether there's a secondhand Agfa that has 3 
pass for color and just one monochrome pass for B&W.


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Epson gives you an almost free printer and then empties your wallet  
if you buy their ink.  They really hate it when people buy their  
inexpensive printers and then use 3rd party inks.  They have devised  
clever schemes (complex cartridge designs and electronic chips) to  
try and thwart 3rd party ink use, but at least until the most recent  
generation of printers the 3rd parties have outwitted them.

On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Frank Vincent wrote:

> Has anyone looked at the specs for the HP G4050 scanner?  It scans  
> in six
> colors, according to what I can find.  I am primarily looking for a  
> good B&W
> scanner for film and prints, but this seemed an interesting compromise
> against the Epson V700 and V750.  It seems hard to justify the  
> Epson scanner
> cost when my R220 printers were less than $100 each.
>
> I would also be open to other scanners that are low cost.  Because  
> I need to
> do a little photo restoration, I don't want to get a scanner  
> dedicated to
> film only.  I also have a number of prints I made from the "olden  
> days" of
> wet darkroom that I want to play with.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Frank Vincent

Many flatbed scanners will do virtually perfect work from
appropriately sized prints in B&W or color. It's not tricky and you
should expect results that exceed your original, delivering closer to
your desires than your original did, losing NO detail or tone unless
you want to lose it. 

I happen to use an Epson 32OO. All of Epson's Perfection series are
great for the purpose, as are several Canons and presumably HPs. Don't
buy if it doesn't claim to be a "photo" scanner, though I know from
experience that several of that sort actually do well (eg my
all-in-one Brother printer/fax/scanner).



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Vincent"
<zorkivincent@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked at the specs for the HP G4050 scanner?  It scans
in six 
> colors, according to what I can find.  I am primarily looking for a
good B&W 
> scanner for film and prints, but this seemed an interesting compromise 
> against the Epson V700 and V750.  It seems hard to justify the Epson
scanner 
> cost when my R220 printers were less than $100 each.
> 
> I would also be open to other scanners that are low cost.  Because I
need to 
> do a little photo restoration, I don't want to get a scanner
dedicated to 
> film only.  I also have a number of prints I made from the "olden
days" of 
> wet darkroom that I want to play with.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Frank Vincent
> 
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