Digital BW, The Print

Has anyone ever figured out the cost in ink for the changeover from PK 
to MK ink and back again in the R2400 printer? Does it just flush out 
the black line on the changeover or does it flush all the colors too 
thus wasting a ton of ink? Thanks for any help or experience you can 
give. And Happy New Year!

www.scottjonesphoto.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Jones"
<peanutdogs@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever figured out the cost in ink for the changeover from PK 
> to MK ink and back again in the R2400 printer? Does it just flush out 
> the black line on the changeover or does it flush all the colors too 
> thus wasting a ton of ink? Thanks for any help or experience you can 
> give. And Happy New Year!
> 
> www.scottjonesphoto.com
>

I think my printer flushes all the colors. My impression is that a
single change can take away up to about 1/4 of some cartridges, less
of others. I have switched inks only a few times, so other might be
able to provide more reliable numbers. 

Manuel

Hello Scott,

>Has anyone ever figured out the cost in ink for the changeover from PK 
>to MK ink and back again in the R2400 printer? Does it just flush out 
>the black line on the changeover or does it flush all the colors too 
>thus wasting a ton of ink? Thanks for any help or experience you can 
>give. And Happy New Year!

Are you sure you mean the 2400?  The 2400 doesn't have "lines" that
need flushing, the carts sit directly on top of the head.  I've found
that switching between PK/MK is basically like an ordinary cleaning cycle.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Clayton,

Thanks for the response. Sorry about my imprecision on using the 
term "lines". I really just mean the cleaning of the R2400 mechanism. 
Do you know whether all the colors are cleaned out or just the black 
part? If it is just the black, then I suspect there is minimal cost. 
But another poster suggested that the changeover used up 1/4 of the 
color carts which is a whopping amount of ink. Any experience?

Scott

http://www.scottjonesphoto.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Scott,
> 
> >Has anyone ever figured out the cost in ink for the changeover 
from PK 
> >to MK ink and back again in the R2400 printer? Does it just flush 
out 
> >the black line on the changeover or does it flush all the colors 
too 
> >thus wasting a ton of ink? Thanks for any help or experience you 
can 
> >give. And Happy New Year!
> 
> Are you sure you mean the 2400?  The 2400 doesn't have "lines" that
> need flushing, the carts sit directly on top of the head.  I've 
found
> that switching between PK/MK is basically like an ordinary cleaning 
cycle.

> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Hello Scott,

>Thanks for the response. Sorry about my imprecision on using the 
>term "lines". I really just mean the cleaning of the R2400 mechanism. 
>Do you know whether all the colors are cleaned out or just the black 
>part? If it is just the black, then I suspect there is minimal cost. 
>But another poster suggested that the changeover used up 1/4 of the 
>color carts which is a whopping amount of ink. Any experience?

I mostly use MK and have changed over to PK and back three times.  I
didn't attempt any close measurements, but I certainly would have
noticed if it used that much.  I don't know if it only cleans the
black channel or not, but my sense of it is that at most it would be
like a normal cleaning cycle.   I don't think it's outrageous, but
like cleaning cycles it uses some so I try to plan ahead for my PK
sessions and do it as infrequently as possible.  

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Hi Scott,

Like Clayton, I've not noticed any large changes in color ink levels on 
swapping PK/MK. Certainly if it was anything like 1/4 of a cart I would 
have been running out of some color inks on almost every swap, and it 
just doesn't happen.

I've also read some very exaggerated reports of the amount of ink wasted 
on cleaning cycles.  Perhaps some R2400s are somehow more wasteful than 
others, or perhaps people post who don't use the printer? Although they 
do get through the ink, and aren't cheap to run, I think most of it goes 
on the prints.

So long as you batch your prints rather than swap over every time you 
make a print I don't think the PK/MK switch is a major problem.

Peter

Peter Marshall
petermarshall@...    
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Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello Scott,
>
>   
>> Thanks for the response. Sorry about my imprecision on using the 
>> term "lines". I really just mean the cleaning of the R2400 mechanism. 
>> Do you know whether all the colors are cleaned out or just the black 
>> part? If it is just the black, then I suspect there is minimal cost. 
>> But another poster suggested that the changeover used up 1/4 of the 
>> color carts which is a whopping amount of ink. Any experience?
>>     
>
> I mostly use MK and have changed over to PK and back three times.  I
> didn't attempt any close measurements, but I certainly would have
> noticed if it used that much.  I don't know if it only cleans the
> black channel or not, but my sense of it is that at most it would be
> like a normal cleaning cycle.   I don't think it's outrageous, but
> like cleaning cycles it uses some so I try to plan ahead for my PK
> sessions and do it as infrequently as possible.  
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
>
>

Scott,

I use refillable cartridges, and they may behave differently than
epson originals. I believe, however, that all colors are used in the
cleaning cycle that the printer does after I change a single cartridge. 

Manuel

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Jones"
<peanutdogs@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Clayton,
> 
> Thanks for the response. Sorry about my imprecision on using the 
> term "lines". I really just mean the cleaning of the R2400 mechanism. 
> Do you know whether all the colors are cleaned out or just the black 
> part? If it is just the black, then I suspect there is minimal cost. 
> But another poster suggested that the changeover used up 1/4 of the 
> color carts which is a whopping amount of ink. Any experience?
> 
> Scott
> 
> http://www.scottjonesphoto.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
> <cj@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Scott,
> > 
> > >Has anyone ever figured out the cost in ink for the changeover 
> from PK 
> > >to MK ink and back again in the R2400 printer? Does it just flush 
> out 
> > >the black line on the changeover or does it flush all the colors 
> too 
> > >thus wasting a ton of ink? Thanks for any help or experience you 
> can 
> > >give. And Happy New Year!
> > 
> > Are you sure you mean the 2400?  The 2400 doesn't have "lines" that
> > need flushing, the carts sit directly on top of the head.  I've 
> found
> > that switching between PK/MK is basically like an ordinary cleaning 
> cycle.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
>

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I almost exclusively use PK, but 
want to try MK for the greeting cards that I occasionally make. PK 
looksawful on mat paper. I just didn't want to do this if it was 
going to cost me a fortune in ink. I will give it a whirl.

Happy New Year

http://www.scottjonesphoto.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall 
<petermarshall@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Like Clayton, I've not noticed any large changes in color ink 
levels on 
> swapping PK/MK. Certainly if it was anything like 1/4 of a cart I 
would 
> have been running out of some color inks on almost every swap, and 
it 
> just doesn't happen.
> 
> I've also read some very exaggerated reports of the amount of ink 
wasted 
> on cleaning cycles.  Perhaps some R2400s are somehow more wasteful 
than 
> others, or perhaps people post who don't use the printer? Although 
they 
> do get through the ink, and aren't cheap to run, I think most of it 
goes 
> on the prints.
> 
> So long as you batch your prints rather than swap over every time 
you 
> make a print I don't think the PK/MK switch is a major problem.
> 
> Peter
> 
> Peter Marshall
> petermarshall@...    
> _________________________________________________________________
> My London Diary	              http://mylondondiary.co.uk/
> London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/
> The Buildings of London etc:  http://londonphotographs.co.uk/
> and elsewhere......
> 
> 
> 
> Clayton Jones wrote:
> > Hello Scott,
> >
> >   
> >> Thanks for the response. Sorry about my imprecision on using the 
> >> term "lines". I really just mean the cleaning of the R2400 
mechanism. 
> >> Do you know whether all the colors are cleaned out or just the 
black 
> >> part? If it is just the black, then I suspect there is minimal 
cost. 
> >> But another poster suggested that the changeover used up 1/4 of 
the 
> >> color carts which is a whopping amount of ink. Any experience?
> >>     
> >
> > I mostly use MK and have changed over to PK and back three 
times.  I
> > didn't attempt any close measurements, but I certainly would have
> > noticed if it used that much.  I don't know if it only cleans the
> > black channel or not, but my sense of it is that at most it would 
be

> > like a normal cleaning cycle.   I don't think it's outrageous, but
> > like cleaning cycles it uses some so I try to plan ahead for my PK
> > sessions and do it as infrequently as possible.  
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> >
> >
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> >
> >
> >
>