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Microsoft has a nifty utility called vista upgrade advisor which checks driver availability before installing.  I'd suggest anyone thinking of upgrading vista use it before purchasing vista.


Baza

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andre Moreau 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:06 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Just starting - Vista OS


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "markebrauer"
  <markebrauer@...> wrote:

  > - I'd like a relatively recent printer as I expect to move to Vista
  > soon (having longterm problems with XP, I feel like anything would be
  > better). I've seen too much hardware thrown away over the years due
  > to lack of drivers.

  Mark,

  Vista, like previous operating system has teething problems. Right
  now, a lot of drivers are missing simply because the equipment mfg's
  (from sound cards to printers) have not made them available.

  I don't know what problems you've had with XP, but the reaction of
  some people who've installed Vista make me think that I'll wait for
  Service Pack 1 (SP1) before I even consider it. Vista will slow down
  your computer compared to XP, is memory hungry and still has several
  bugs although updates have already been released this week.

  Consider Vista as jut an upgrade to XP and posssibly the last OS
  change for a very long time to come.

  Cheers,
  Andre



   

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The upgrade advisor is slick and nice but unless you have a compelling need
to run Vista I would hold off on making it my primary OS.  

The lack of software compatibility will drive you nuts.

 

On my machine I had the following issues.  (I am have been running 64 bit
vista since last fall and have been using RTM since it came out in Early
Dec)

 

No driver for my SCSI card.

No support for my film scanner.  (so no scanning of film)

No support from Gretag Macbeth/Xrite for my Eye (so no color management)

Poor Nvidia driver support (video drivers lack performance).

Anti Virus support just shipped from Symantec and is slow.

 

So with all of that, I have kept a dual boot build of XP where I can run all
of that.

 

My advice would be to ensure that you can still run XP.

 

The original poster said that they were having some odd long term problems
with XP.   If you had problems with XP (either config or poor drivers) they
will just be translated over to Vista.  One of my really old machines was
crippled by the upgrade test I did (so I reloaded it from backup).

 

Unless you do a clean install of Vista, upgrading a degraded XP install will
just make you dislike the folks from Redmond even more.  

 

Regards

Brentley

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr
Barrington Maye
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 06:33
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Just starting - Vista OS

 

Microsoft has a nifty utility called vista upgrade advisor which checks
driver availability before installing. I'd suggest anyone thinking of
upgrading vista use it before purchasing vista.

Baza

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andre Moreau 
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Just starting - Vista OS

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "markebrauer"
<markebrauer@...> wrote:

> - I'd like a relatively recent printer as I expect to move to Vista
> soon (having longterm problems with XP, I feel like anything would be
> better). I've seen too much hardware thrown away over the years due
> to lack of drivers.

Mark,

Vista, like previous operating system has teething problems. Right
now, a lot of drivers are missing simply because the equipment mfg's
(from sound cards to printers) have not made them available.

I don't know what problems you've had with XP, but the reaction of
some people who've installed Vista make me think that I'll wait for
Service Pack 1 (SP1) before I even consider it. Vista will slow down
your computer compared to XP, is memory hungry and still has several
bugs although updates have already been released this week.

Consider Vista as jut an upgrade to XP and posssibly the last OS
change for a very long time to come.

Cheers,
Andre

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But aren't many of those problems due to you running 64bit Vista, of 
minority interest. Most people using Vista will run 32bit, and that is where 
most manufacturers have been and will be putting their effort in updating 
software and drivers.  Scott Byer of Adobe has said there would be no 
advantage in having a 64 bit Photoshop unless you were using files of 1GB or 
over http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html

bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brentley Beerline" <brentley_beerline@...>


The upgrade advisor is slick and nice but unless you have a compelling need
to run Vista I would hold off on making it my primary OS.

The lack of software compatibility will drive you nuts.

On my machine I had the following issues.  (I am have been running 64 bit
vista since last fall and have been using RTM since it came out in Early
Dec)

Dana,

Vista drivers for the R2400 are on the Epson Europe site.

http://esupport.epson-europe.com/SoftwareListing.aspx?lng=en-GB&data=7222067128DC3302CFB925C628144285A82DC87441AA07BD3A5B0770B7DA4391

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dana H. Myers" <dana.myers@...>

However, it's unwieldy and, while I expect to upgrade to Windows Vista, it
won't be before my peripherals are supported (Epson R2400 and Nikon LS9000 
are
the key ones, and Epson 4490 is desirable).  Application support for Vista 
is
still spotty; at least the Java plug-in in Firefox kicks Vista out of Aero 
mode,
for example.

Bob Frost wrote:
> 
> 
> But aren't many of those problems due to you running 64bit Vista, of
> minority interest.

Not in my case; running on a plain old Northwood P4.  No AMD64/EM64T
extensions in the chip.

> Most people using Vista will run 32bit, and that is
> where most manufacturers have been and will be putting their effort in updating
> software and drivers. Scott Byer of Adobe has said there would be no
> advantage in having a 64 bit Photoshop unless you were using files of
> 1GB or
> over http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html
> <http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html>

32-bit applications will run just fine on 64-bit windows, but the
fact is that virtually all new x86 boxes sold today are 64-bit capable.
There will be a lot of pressure before long for 64-bit drivers and
system bits.

Dana

Bob Frost wrote:
> 
> 
> Dana,
> 
> Vista drivers for the R2400 are on the Epson Europe site.
> 
> http://esupport.epson-europe.com/SoftwareListing.aspx?lng=en-GB&data=7222067128DC3302CFB925C628144285A82DC87441AA07BD3A5B0770B7DA4391
> <http://esupport.epson-europe.com/SoftwareListing.aspx?lng=en-GB&data=7222067128DC3302CFB925C628144285A82DC87441AA07BD3A5B0770B7DA4391>

Thanks - I'll scarf those and test them as soon as Windows Ultimate appears
in my mailbox (sometime this month, I expect).

Dana

All I can say is that Photoshop CS2 runs a lot faster under Win XP X64
than under regular 32-bit XP.  It can use all of the 4GB of memory I
have and when working with scanned MF film files, you can easily need
eery bit of the 4GB if you start using a few layers and/or plug-ins.  
The only problem with x64 and the new 64 bit ista is that the
manufacturers aren't producing 64-bit drivers and some software is
incompatible with it (Like QuickTime).  Some manufacturers may produce
 Vista driver, but they may not be 64 bit drivers.  This is a shame
becuase a majority of the new processors these days are 64 bit chips,
and only a handfull of manufacturers are producing drivers that will
allow them to make full use of the capabilities of the 64 bit chip and
OS. (thanks go to Epson for making their printers 64-bit capable, and
big boos to Nikon for not producing 64-bit drivers for their
scanners).  It is precisely in the graphics areas that the 64 bit chip
and OS makes a difference.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Dana H. Myers"
<dana.myers@...> wrote:
>
> Bob Frost wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > But aren't many of those problems due to you running 64bit Vista, of
> > minority interest.
> 
> Not in my case; running on a plain old Northwood P4.  No AMD64/EM64T
> extensions in the chip.
> 
> > Most people using Vista will run 32bit, and that is
> > where most manufacturers have been and will be putting their
effort in updating

> > software and drivers. Scott Byer of Adobe has said there would be no
> > advantage in having a 64 bit Photoshop unless you were using files of
> > 1GB or
> > over http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html
> > <http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html>
> 
> 32-bit applications will run just fine on 64-bit windows, but the
> fact is that virtually all new x86 boxes sold today are 64-bit capable.
> There will be a lot of pressure before long for 64-bit drivers and
> system bits.
> 
> Dana
>

For the most part two of the key apps in my workflow (the scanner stuff and the color management device) the products simply don't have drivers and would not work.  

The 32 bit Nvidia drivers are also non performant as well.  

----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Frost <bob@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2007 1:18:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Just starting - Vista OS

But aren't many of those problems due to you running 64bit Vista, of 
minority interest. Most people using Vista will run 32bit, and that is where 
most manufacturers have been and will be putting their effort in updating 
software and drivers. Scott Byer of Adobe has said there would be no 
advantage in having a 64 bit Photoshop unless you were using files of 1GB or 
over http://blogs. adobe.com/ scottbyer/ 2006/12/64_ bitswhen. html

bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brentley Beerline" <brentley_beerline@ yahoo.com>

The upgrade advisor is slick and nice but unless you have a compelling need
to run Vista I would hold off on making it my primary OS.

The lack of software compatibility will drive you nuts.

On my machine I had the following issues. (I am have been running 64 bit
vista since last fall and have been using RTM since it came out in Early
Dec)




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In a message dated 2/3/07 11:56:38 AM, samcc@... writes:


> 
> Could you combine these two migrate-to-Vista strategies if you have 
> two hard disks in a Vista-ready computer? I.e., continue to run XT on 
> one hard disk and print to your old printer from it, but also install 
> and start to run Vista on the other hard disk and print to a new 
> printer from it when drivers for it become available for Vista? That 
> is, don't switch from XT to Vista, just let Vista gradually out grow 
> XT while you gradually learn how to use Vista instead?
> 

I've used similar strategies in the past (Mac OS 9 to OS X, Win2k to XP) but 
they are rather unsatisfactory, in that you need to reboot to move back and 
forth, and need to register applications more than once (and some apps don't 
allow this). I actually found it was easier, for the situations where it was 
functional, to run OS 9 via the Classic Emulator under OS X, so both were 
available at once, and to run both Win2k and XP under VirtualPC on the Mac, so they 
could be accessed without rebooting a Windows box as well. Now its just a matter 
of running two virtual machines (XP and Vista) on an Intel Mac using 
Parallels to get the same flexibility. Doesn't do absolutely everything, but its very 
convenient for the things it does!

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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> Could you combine these two migrate-to-Vista strategies if you have
> two hard disks in a Vista-ready computer? I.e., continue to run XT on
> one hard disk and print to your old printer from it, but also install
> and start to run Vista on the other hard disk and print to a new
> printer from it when drivers for it become available for Vista?

I did that when XP came out; ran it alongside Win98 until all the drivers 
etc were sorted. But the problem now is that it will require a Full licence 
for Vista to run it alongside your old licence for XP. You can't buy an 
XP-Vista upgrade and run it as well as your XP.

bob Frost.