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Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

Re: [Digital BW] Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-26 by Mark Savoia

The FLAAR reports have been attacked here and on many other e-groups  
for a long time. Seems they are paid by the manufacture to write pro  
reports about their products. Waste of time.
Mark
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> They seem to promise all answers to all questions. But I won't pay  
> for them.
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> Has anyone read them? Opinions?
>
> thanks,
> Sarah
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Re: [Digital BW] Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-27 by wkm@kauaiphotos.biz

They give rave reviews to companies that pay them and donate equipment and lousy write-ups to those who don't. 

Walt
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>Has anyone read them? Opinions?
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Re: [Digital BW] Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-27 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 2/26/07 6:32:35 PM, sagaface@... writes:


> Has anyone read them? 
> 
Some...

> Opinions?
> 
More to the point for outside organizations wishing to determine what the 
state of the arts in a field is; if you are already in it, then the FLAAR reports 
would not be a very practical way to learn about things... so if you are 
considering acquiring Epson, or investing millions in competing against them, 
definately buy the reports. If you are already participating in the field in 
question, then they would be less likely to be of use.

C. David Tobie
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ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
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Re: [Digital BW] Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-27 by sagaface

You all answered my question to my satisfaction (!). Thanks.

Sarah



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> In a message dated 2/26/07 6:32:35 PM, sagaface@... writes:
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> > Has anyone read them? 
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> More to the point for outside organizations wishing to determine what the 
> state of the arts in a field is; if you are already in it, then the FLAAR reports 
> would not be a very practical way to learn about things... so if you are 
> considering acquiring Epson, or investing millions in competing against them, 
> definately buy the reports. If you are already participating in the field in 
> question, then they would be less likely to be of use.
> 
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> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
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1280 printer is sold

2007-02-27 by Craig Roberts

Thanks very much to all who responded to my ad yesterday. 

The printer and inkset have been sold.

Craig

Re: Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-28 by arlenelove3@aol.com

I've been reading the FLAAR reviews on film scanners and it seems they all  
stink unless I can cough up at least 12K for a drum scanner. My Minolta 5400  
dies and I need one in the range of $1000 more or less (preferably less). After 
 reading FLAAR, it looks hopeless. Any recommendations?
                        Arlene
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-02-28 by Sam McCandless

It's been a long time, Arlene, since I read a FLAAR review, but I got  
that they were not writing for a small fish like me.

I would try to get a used drum scanner except that I'm not competent  
to shop for one intelligently. My next stop down the quality and cost  
ladder would be a Nikon; I'm not sure which one. To get below $1000,  
I'd consider one of the best of the Epson flatbed scanners and  
printing only relatively small prints from its scans; my guess is  
that 11x14 is a stretch, at least when you've cropped. But what if  
you used one of those to select out only a few exposures to take  
somewhere for drum scanning?

Hard choices, I'm afraid.
--
Sam
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On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:24 AM, arlenelove3@... wrote:

> I've been reading the FLAAR reviews on film scanners and it seems  
> they all
> stink unless I can cough up at least 12K for a drum scanner. My  
> Minolta 5400
> dies and I need one in the range of $1000 more or less (preferably  
> less). After
>  reading FLAAR, it looks hopeless. Any recommendations?
>                         Arlene
> arlenelove3@...
>
> [snip]

[Digital BW] Re: Curious - anyone reading those Flaar reports?

2007-03-01 by djon43

I know nothing of murals, but Nikons easily equal drum scanners for
desktop inkjet printing purposes. Pixel-peepers will get agitated
here, of course, but I'm speaking of fine inkjet images on paper, not
abstract measurement of digital phenomena.  

The recent Minolta 5400 and 5400II as well as current Nikon 50ED V
cost well under $1000 and equal or exceed Nikon 5000/9000 detail
resolution, the V offering two strip film carriers that accomplish
excellent flatness as well as an adequate slide carrier, excellent
positionable autofocus, and plenty of depth of focus. 

I don't print larger than 13X19 and have not looked at extreme crops,
but scans by Nikon V would obviously print beautifully far larger,
limited only by the original photo's focus and film condition...in
other words, grain/dye sharp in corners and center and more subtle
overall than any optical enlarger. Use of Vuescan easily eliminates
any grain "bloom" or digital artifacts, and Nikonscan does as well
when used with a little care.

I suspect Epson 700/750 would do "adequately" with 35 to 11X17, and 
rival condenser enlargers with medium format at any desktop size,
since some older Epsons accomplish that with Fisher focusing carriers.


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> It's been a long time, Arlene, since I read a FLAAR review, but I got  
> that they were not writing for a small fish like me.
> 
> I would try to get a used drum scanner except that I'm not competent  
> to shop for one intelligently. My next stop down the quality and cost  
> ladder would be a Nikon; I'm not sure which one. To get below $1000,  
> I'd consider one of the best of the Epson flatbed scanners and  
> printing only relatively small prints from its scans; my guess is  
> that 11x14 is a stretch, at least when you've cropped. But what if  
> you used one of those to select out only a few exposures to take  
> somewhere for drum scanning?
> 
> Hard choices, I'm afraid.
> --
> Sam
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 6:24 AM, arlenelove3@... wrote:
> 
> > I've been reading the FLAAR reviews on film scanners and it seems  
> > they all
> > stink unless I can cough up at least 12K for a drum scanner. My  
> > Minolta 5400
> > dies and I need one in the range of $1000 more or less (preferably  
> > less). After
> >  reading FLAAR, it looks hopeless. Any recommendations?
> >                         Arlene
> > arlenelove3@...
> >
> > [snip]
>

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