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2007-05-21 by cieloblu22000
Is there a way to open any icm file to see the settings it is sending to the printer? And then can I make adjustments to that file and save it as a different icm that I may like better or just want different? Thank you, Charlotte
2007-05-21 by Eric Neilsen Photo
With appropriate software yes. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cieloblu22000 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:11 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] opening an icm file Is there a way to open any icm file to see the settings it is sending to the printer? And then can I make adjustments to that file and save it as a different icm that I may like better or just want different? Thank you, Charlotte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-22 by Steve Kale
There is an easy (and free) way to view the inside on an ICC (ICM) file. If on a Mac then open the file with the Colorsync utility and if on Windoze then you can download a profile inspector utility from www.color.org. Editing one requires appropriate software and can be done. However, I suspect that you¹ve got little to be gained from doing so versus simply creating a new profile.
From: Eric Neilsen Photo <e.neilsen2@...> Organization: Eric Neilsen Photography Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:37 -0500 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] opening an icm file With appropriate software yes. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____ From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of cieloblu22000 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:11 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Digital BW] opening an icm file Is there a way to open any icm file to see the settings it is sending to the printer? And then can I make adjustments to that file and save it as a different icm that I may like better or just want different? Thank you, Charlotte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-22 by Eric Neilsen Photo
Steve, Thanks for the reminder of the names for PC use. I have previously worked with Profile Maker 4.1 suite and with that editor. You can spend some time learning all about them and how to edit them, but as Steve suggest it may make sense to just make a new one. Charlotte are you have a particular problem with one? A canned profile or a self made, custom made? Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____ From:] On Behalf Of Steve Kale There is an easy (and free) way to view the inside on an ICC (ICM) file. If on a Mac then open the file with the Colorsync utility and if on Windoze then you can download a profile inspector utility from www.color.org. Editing one requires appropriate software and can be done. However, I suspect that you¹ve got little to be gained from doing so versus simply creating a new profile.
From: Eric Neilsen Photo <e.neilsen2@worldnet <mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net> Organization: Eric Neilsen Photography Subject: RE: [Digital BW] opening an icm file With appropriate software yes. Eric Neilsen Photography _____ Is there a way to open any icm file to see the settings it is sending to the printer? And then can I make adjustments to that file and save it as a different icm that I may like better or just want different? Thank you, Charlotte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-23 by Charlotte
Hi. Thanks for your replies. I was just wondering if opening an icm file and adjusting it is a good starting point when I am not satisfied with a profile. I have a 2400 and use the paper makers icm which is usually not completely to my liking. I can easily make adjustments in the ABW and save it for that paper. For other adjustments such as contrast, lightening and darkening a tone I use a curves layer adjustment in CS3 and save it with the papers name for future use if it is an adjustment I think will be useful in the future. Clayton's, Paul's and this list's information have been very helpful. The information and process involved in the creation of an icm is a bit overwhelming for me and will take me a while to grasp it all, if ever I do. Charlotte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-23 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charlotte" <cieloblu@...> wrote: > > Hi. Thanks for your replies. I was just wondering if opening an icm file and adjusting it is a good starting point when I am not satisfied with a profile. Actually that is a bit of a daunting task, and not something many people recommend. You'd need special profile editing software, not cheap. > I have a 2400 and use the paper makers icm which is usually not completely to my liking. I can easily make adjustments in the ABW and save it for that paper. This is a bit confusing, a color profile is not really applicable to use with the ABW epson printing system. THough you could select one in the Print With Preview section of photoshop, it would have been made for color printing and very specific settings in the color section of the driver. Pretty much irrelevant for ABW use. > For other adjustments such as contrast, lightening and darkening a tone I use a curves layer adjustment in CS3 and save it with the papers name for future use if it is an adjustment I think will be useful in the future. Clayton's, Paul's and this list's information have been very helpful. The information and process involved in the creation of an icm is a bit overwhelming for me and will take me a while to grasp it all, if ever I do. You'd need specific software to do so, and also a measurement device. Additionally, if you are talking ABW use for B&W printing instead of color, the only relevant profiles would be those you can make with QTR's Create ICC. None of the others, including those supplied by paper makers, would be useful with the ABW section of the Epson driver. For use with the color section of the driver, even for B&W, "real" icc profiles would be relevant and there are applicable commercial solutions available. I suspect someone may volunteer a specific recommendation. Tyler
2007-05-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo
Charlotte, If you have an extra $600 to spend and want to gain control with a more straight forward supported approach, you can use the Print Fix Pro Suite and make profiles for use in an RGB environment and it would give you good results. If that is a lot for you, try looking into QTR ($50) and using your flat bed scanner to make things that look and act like ICC profiles. The "real" profile makers are into the thousands and take some time to get good at interpreting data and are really good for high volume precise printing houses. If you haven't been printing high quality ink jets for a long time, let me suggest this as a path. Find or make a 100 step gray scale and print it using your ABW setting and paper. Save those that really make you happy both for range and color issues; i.e. toning. It works well if you are used to looking at your prints in a somewhat critical way for separation of scale and evenness of tonal scale. If you are trying to do color printing I have found that saturation and hue are the two basic controls that help without custom profiles that really work. Once again, QTR might help you down that path as well. I have seen that the less money you spend, the more "fly by the seat of your pants" skills are required to get it right. But you can get it right. The products like Profile Maker 5 by Gray Tag will give you plenty of control, maybe more than you need, but a good solid program package both for making and editing profiles. The more sophisticated the product the more devices you will be able to work with like printers, projectors, etc. It provides you a visual 3D tool to inspect your profiles and allows you to see where things are not fitting. And just like there are PCs and MACs, not all profiling systems will talk to each other and make data that can be read across the board. If you do go the profiling route, realize that we have gone from 6 to 12 ink machines in a short time. While we also had only extremely high priced profile packages to work with and now there available to nearly ever serious amateur. Buy wisely. Eric Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Boley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:41 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: opening an icm file --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charlotte" <cieloblu@...> wrote: > > Hi. Thanks for your replies. I was just wondering if opening an icm file and adjusting it is a good starting point when I am not satisfied with a profile. Actually that is a bit of a daunting task, and not something many people recommend. You'd need special profile editing software, not cheap. > I have a 2400 and use the paper makers icm which is usually not completely to my liking. I can easily make adjustments in the ABW and save it for that paper. This is a bit confusing, a color profile is not really applicable to use with the ABW epson printing system. THough you could select one in the Print With Preview section of photoshop, it would have been made for color printing and very specific settings in the color section of the driver. Pretty much irrelevant for ABW use. > For other adjustments such as contrast, lightening and darkening a tone I use a curves layer adjustment in CS3 and save it with the papers name for future use if it is an adjustment I think will be useful in the future. Clayton's, Paul's and this list's information have been very helpful. The information and process involved in the creation of an icm is a bit overwhelming for me and will take me a while to grasp it all, if ever I do. You'd need specific software to do so, and also a measurement device. Additionally, if you are talking ABW use for B&W printing instead of color, the only relevant profiles would be those you can make with QTR's Create ICC. None of the others, including those supplied by paper makers, would be useful with the ABW section of the Epson driver. For use with the color section of the driver, even for B&W, "real" icc profiles would be relevant and there are applicable commercial solutions available. I suspect someone may volunteer a specific recommendation. Tyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-24 by Charlotte
Hi, Tyler and Eric. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. My post was confusing. I print both color and bw. I am attempting to understand exactly what I am doing. I have followed Clayton's formula for BW printing and am now wanting to experiment. So I am attempting to understand what an icm, paper profile and paper selection do. And how I might manipulate these things. In color I have used Epsons standard paper setting with their papers. When I've used other papers I've had to make changes,for example magenta, etc. to get the print I want. When I use the ABW in the epson I end up making the similiar adjustments for coolness, neutral and warmth. When I choose a paper Clayton hasn't given specific settings for I am not sure what I should do. I've read Paul's article on Making B&W Iccs w a flatbed scanner and have a very vague understanding at this point. I am not sure what the paper setting tells the printer, what the icm tells the printer, what Paul's ICCs tell the printer and how those things are similiar or different and how I might manipulate these things to get what I want. The papers I am currently experimenting with are the Premiere BW Matte paper and Moab BW Entrada. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]