Digital BW, The Print

I'm about to take the plunge on an Epson C88+ and a set of the MIS EZ
B&W inks, but I was hoping you guys could clarify something for me.

From something I read on Paul Roark's site, I got the impression that
the cyan, magenta and yellow inks are all the same density in the EZ
B&W set (the only difference being the chip on the catridge for the
various color positions).  Is that correct?

If so, if I intended to buy the spongeless refillable cartridges &
bulk inks, couldn't I just buy the appropriate photo black or eboni
black and then just get one bottle of the grey?  I'm just puzzled
because inksupply.com is selling the bulk inks under different item
#'s for the C, M & Y positions.  I was hoping to be able to just buy a
pint bottle of the neutral to fill the C & M and a 4oz. bottle of the
warm to fill the Y position.

Oh, and just to clarify, the refillable cartridges take 15cc of ink,
so about 1/2 ounce?  I just can't believe how cheap the bulk inks will
make everything -- too accustomed to buying $30 Epson print cartridges
that only last a short time!

Thanks for your help!

If you take a look at the MIS forums, you'll see the confirmation that
the CMY cartridges use the same ink. I bought a pint bottle months ago,
and have made hundreds of prints using perhaps a 1/3 of the bottle.

- Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "josphyflickr"
<josphyflickr@...> wrote:
>
> I'm about to take the plunge on an Epson C88+ and a set of the MIS EZ
> B&W inks, but I was hoping you guys could clarify something for me.
>
> From something I read on Paul Roark's site, I got the impression that
> the cyan, magenta and yellow inks are all the same density in the EZ
> B&W set (the only difference being the chip on the catridge for the
> various color positions).  Is that correct?
>
> If so, if I intended to buy the spongeless refillable cartridges &
> bulk inks, couldn't I just buy the appropriate photo black or eboni
> black and then just get one bottle of the grey?  I'm just puzzled
> because inksupply.com is selling the bulk inks under different item
> #'s for the C, M & Y positions.  I was hoping to be able to just buy a
> pint bottle of the neutral to fill the C & M and a 4oz. bottle of the
> warm to fill the Y position.
>
> Oh, and just to clarify, the refillable cartridges take 15cc of ink,
> so about 1/2 ounce?  I just can't believe how cheap the bulk inks will
> make everything -- too accustomed to buying $30 Epson print cartridges
> that only last a short time!
>
> Thanks for your help!
>



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Awesome!  It's kind of misleading that they sell the CMY bulk ink
under different item #'s though.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "mfriedberg"
<mfriedberg@...> wrote:

>
> If you take a look at the MIS forums, you'll see the confirmation that
> the CMY cartridges use the same ink. I bought a pint bottle months ago,
> and have made hundreds of prints using perhaps a 1/3 of the bottle.
> 
> - Mark
>

Isn't Y the same as LM and LC not M or C?  I've been using the light 
inks in that position for some time.

C and M are the same.

I personally use warm inks in M, cool inks in C and cool in yellow 
and find this closer to neutral on the matte papers I use.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "josphyflickr" 
<josphyflickr@...> wrote:
>
> Awesome!  It's kind of misleading that they sell the CMY bulk ink
> under different item #'s though.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mfriedberg"
> <mfriedberg@> wrote:
> >
> > If you take a look at the MIS forums, you'll see the 
confirmation that
> > the CMY cartridges use the same ink. I bought a pint bottle 
months ago,
> > and have made hundreds of prints using perhaps a 1/3 of the 
bottle.

> > 
> > - Mark
> >
>

> From something I read on Paul Roark's site, I got the impression that
> the cyan, magenta and yellow inks are all the same density in the EZ
> B&W set (the only difference being the chip on the catridge for the
> various color positions).  Is that correct?

Yes, the C, M, and Y "EZ-Warm" inks themselves are identical, as are
the C, M, Y "EZ-Neutral" inks. 

Unfortunately MIS doesn't advertise that fact, and I learned it after
getting a set of "kit" inks.

FYI Here's what I've settled for my own needs with my C86:

K - Eboni for matte papers, Photo Black for glossy papers (I swap
cartridges).
C - CMY EZ-Neutral for matte and glossy
M - CMY EZ-Neutral for matte and glossy
Y - CMY EZ-Warm for matte and glossy

That boils down to four bottles of ink: Eboni, Photo Black, EZ-Neutral
(C, M, or Y), and EZ-Warm (C, M, or Y). I swap the K position
cartridge depending on matte versus glossy and leave everything else
constant.

Putting warm in the yellow position is recommended by Paul Roark to
correct for a tendency toward coolness on matte (if I remember
correctly) papers. On glossy papers, EZ-W/Yellow position gives a very
slight warmth that's very pleasing, at least to my eye.

Good luck. It should be lots of fun.