Digital BW, The Print

Hi from a newbie; to this forum and to black only printing. I'm using
an R220 and wondered if there are any UK available equivalents to
Eboni ink? Thanks

Why not just buy the real thing from MIS?  They deliver quite quickly to the
UK and the parcels don't usually attract a Customs charge.

David

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  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of emte98
  Sent: 20 July 2007 00:10
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] black only print ink


  Hi from a newbie; to this forum and to black only printing. I'm using
  an R220 and wondered if there are any UK available equivalents to
  Eboni ink? Thanks



  


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Sure, thanks. I guess I was just looking for something more local/
easily obtained.
 Also I'm just starting to realise theat my R220 can't actually print
black only as the software only gives grayscale option. I downloaded
the US version as suggested on photo.net but it was the same. Any work
around for this?

Is there some disadvantage with using Epson's MK ink rather than MSI's?
-Michael K

This doesn't answer your "source" question, but I'm looking at British
person's print exchange offering, R220 using UT R2/Eboni with QTR..on
Harman FB matte. Very convincing. The blacks are as deep as I've seen
on matte paper. Easily rivals prints from 3800, 2400, 2200, 1280 in
the same Exchange. A Leica R4 (film) photo.  

The photographer says he used a "neutral/warm split" to give a "slight
sepia  feel"... it could as easily be neutral or cold. 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "emte98"
<jam.99@...> wrote:

>
> Sure, thanks. I guess I was just looking for something more local/
> easily obtained.
>  Also I'm just starting to realise theat my R220 can't actually print
> black only as the software only gives grayscale option. I downloaded
> the US version as suggested on photo.net but it was the same. Any work
> around for this?
>

Hi John, the print is mine, hence my earlier comment to buy from MIS in the
US rather than try to find something similar here in the UK.  I've tried
lots of different B&W inksets but have been really happy with MIS/Eboni.

David

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of djon43
  Sent: 20 July 2007 19:37
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: black only print ink


  This doesn't answer your "source" question, but I'm looking at British
  person's print exchange offering, R220 using UT R2/Eboni with QTR..on
  Harman FB matte. Very convincing. The blacks are as deep as I've seen
  on matte paper. Easily rivals prints from 3800, 2400, 2200, 1280 in
  the same Exchange. A Leica R4 (film) photo.

  The photographer says he used a "neutral/warm split" to give a "slight
  sepia feel"... it could as easily be neutral or cold.

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "emte98"
  <jam.99@...> wrote:
  >
  > Sure, thanks. I guess I was just looking for something more local/
  > easily obtained.
  > Also I'm just starting to realise theat my R220 can't actually print
  > black only as the software only gives grayscale option. I downloaded
  > the US version as suggested on photo.net but it was the same. Any work
  > around for this?
  >



  


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John,

I think perceptually in that photo the blacks are pretty good, but they are
not great when measured with the spectro.
Coming in around L* 19.5.  About run of the mill for Matte. Velvet Fine Art
printed with ABW I think tops the league table with L* 14 and Ultrasmooth
with ABW is also pretty good @ 15.5
Both beautiful, but expensive papers.

Just don't want people thinking there is something magic going on with
Harmon and MIS.

Mike

On 20/07/07, David Whistance <david.whistance@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi John, the print is mine, hence my earlier comment to buy from MIS in
> the
> US rather than try to find something similar here in the UK. I've tried
> lots of different B&W inksets but have been really happy with MIS/Eboni.
>
> David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>]On
> Behalf Of djon43
> Sent: 20 July 2007 19:37
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: black only print ink
>
> This doesn't answer your "source" question, but I'm looking at British
> person's print exchange offering, R220 using UT R2/Eboni with QTR..on
> Harman FB matte. Very convincing. The blacks are as deep as I've seen
> on matte paper. Easily rivals prints from 3800, 2400, 2200, 1280 in
> the same Exchange. A Leica R4 (film) photo.
>
> The photographer says he used a "neutral/warm split" to give a "slight
> sepia feel"... it could as easily be neutral or cold.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "emte98"
> <jam.99@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, thanks. I guess I was just looking for something more local/
> > easily obtained.
> > Also I'm just starting to realise theat my R220 can't actually print
> > black only as the software only gives grayscale option. I downloaded
> > the US version as suggested on photo.net but it was the same. Any work
> > around for this?
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Hi Mike.
Sometimes perceptual is all that matters:) It's possible for a nice
1.68 matte to outshine a lackluster 2.0, 2.1 glossy quite easily.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
<drmrking@...> wrote:
>

> I think perceptually in that photo the blacks are pretty good, but
they are
> not great when measured with the spectro.
> Coming in around L* 19.5.  About run of the mill for Matte. Velvet
Fine Art
> printed with ABW I think tops the league table with L* 14 and
Ultrasmooth

> with ABW is also pretty good @ 15.5
> Both beautiful, but expensive papers.
> 
> Just don't want people thinking there is something magic going on with
> Harmon and MIS.
> 
> Mike
>

David W, Duane, Mike...

David, thanks for taking your deserved credit. I didn't want to name
names.

That Harman print is superb...but that exchange featured superb prints
of all sorts...the best 2400 clearly is no better than R220, 1280,
2200 with OEM or MIS and Epson or QTR.  

Harman, except for the David's exquisite image and craft, wasn't
better than several less expensive matte papers...such as HPR or Red
River Polar, according to one's taste. 

IMO Weston was a  better photographer and printer than Adams, while
they both lived...and before Adams did densitometry. 

Weston is remembered for nudes and sexy vegetables, Adams for rocks. I
rest my case. 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus"
<dlruckus@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Mike.
> Sometimes perceptual is all that matters:) It's possible for a nice
> 1.68 matte to outshine a lackluster 2.0, 2.1 glossy quite easily.
> 
> Regards
> Duane
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
> <drmrking@> wrote:
> >
> 
> > I think perceptually in that photo the blacks are pretty good, but
> they are
> > not great when measured with the spectro.
> > Coming in around L* 19.5.  About run of the mill for Matte. Velvet
> Fine Art
> > printed with ABW I think tops the league table with L* 14 and
> Ultrasmooth
> > with ABW is also pretty good @ 15.5
> > Both beautiful, but expensive papers.
> > 
> > Just don't want people thinking there is something magic going on with
> > Harmon and MIS.
> > 
> > Mike
> >
>