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2007-08-28 by marko.mili
I can get unused R200 locally to get me started with B&W printing. One thing that is not clear to me is whether R200 can be used with UT-3D inks (it seems that this would be the best choice of inks for versatility and for learning). Can I use R200 or should I try to find R220? (I have PrintFix PRO for profiling, if that makes a difference) Thanks.
2007-08-28 by Paul Roark
I used the UT-3D regularly on an R220. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT-3D_Readme.pdf So, in the abstract, the inkset should perform well on the R200, but I can't say whether the 220 profiles will be well matched to the 200. I've never tested that. My guess is that the curves may need to be re-linearized. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf for the basic procedures to do that. The UT-R2 inkset is one you might want to consider, particularly if you're just starting to get into B&W digital printing. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R200_R2_Readme.pdf Good luck with the system. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marko.mili Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:44 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R200 with Ultratone 3D? I can get unused R200 locally to get me started with B&W printing. One thing that is not clear to me is whether R200 can be used with UT-3D inks (it seems that this would be the best choice of inks for versatility and for learning). Can I use R200 or should I try to find R220? (I have PrintFix PRO for profiling, if that makes a difference) Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-08-28 by marko.mili
I am trying to understand drawbacks of using UT-3D inks on R200... Benefits seem to be many, such as not having to switch cartridges for glossy/matt, and having ability to relatively easily create icc profiles with PrintFix PRO. I realize it is not as plug-and-play, but I don't mind tweaking - I enjoy it - for as long as ultimate results are possible. Are there any inherent drawbacks in UT-3D image quality compared to using UT-R2 inkset on R200? Also, I see that there are light black inks in UT-3D inkset for 7 or 8 color printers. Does this make a big difference compared to using 6 color printers like R200? I guess I am flapping around a bit since I have no point of reference - I only know what B&W prints from my Canon IP4300 look like, and what real B&W prints look like, but I don't know what problems Ultratone prints suffer from. For example, can you get perfectly smooth shadow detail without visible posterization or grainines? The ip4300 I'm using looks OK from 3ft away but not good enough up close. 10% and 20% gray look smooth, but 15% gray is a little grainy, so when you have a transition between these shades it just doesn't look good enough up close - the texture changes. Do UT-3D inks suffer from similar problems on Epson 6-color printers? Thanks, Marko --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > I used the UT-3D regularly on an R220. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT-3D_Readme.pdf So, in the abstract, the > inkset should perform well on the R200, but I can't say whether the 220 > profiles will be well matched to the 200. I've never tested that. My guess > is that the curves may need to be re-linearized. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf for > the basic procedures to do that. > > > > The UT-R2 inkset is one you might want to consider, particularly if you're
> just starting to get into B&W digital printing. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R200_R2_Readme.pdf > > > > Good luck with the system. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marko.mili > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:44 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R200 with Ultratone 3D? > > > > I can get unused R200 locally to get me started with B&W printing. One > thing that is not clear to me is whether R200 can be used with UT-3D > inks (it seems that this would be the best choice of inks for > versatility and for learning). > > Can I use R200 or should I try to find R220? > > (I have PrintFix PRO for profiling, if that makes a difference) > > Thanks.
2007-08-28 by Paul Roark
Hi Marko, >I am trying to understand drawbacks of using UT-3D inks on R200... >Benefits seem to be many, such as not having to switch >cartridges for glossy/matt, and having ability to relatively >easily create icc profiles with PrintFix PRO. >I realize it is not as plug-and-play, but >I don't mind tweaking - I enjoy it - for as long as >ultimate results are possible. >Are there any inherent drawbacks in UT-3D image quality >compared to sing UT-R2 inkset on R200? The R2 is mostly just easier. If you enjoy the working the controls and are comfortable with Create ICC-RGB (in QTR), then I'd go with the 3D. It is considerably more flexible and there should be no quality difference. >Also, I see that there are light black inks in UT-3D inkset >for 7 or 8 color printers. Does this make a big difference >compared to using 6 color printers like R200? I dislike the LK and LLK inks in the 7 and 8 ink printers. In fact, I pulled the recommendation for the inkset and the 2400. The Epson driver's gray substitution in the 2400 made it very hard to profile. The inkset works best in 6 ink printers when the Epson driver is used. >... I don't know what problems Ultratone prints suffer from. >For example, can you get perfectly smooth shadow >detail without visible posterization or grainines? Yes, that should be no problem. Nothing is perfect in the sense that if you enlarge the prints enough you'll see some dots, but they are not, I believer, visible without a loupe. >The ip4300 I'm using looks OK from 3ft away but not good enough >up close. 10% and 20% gray look smooth, but 15% gray is a little >grainy, so when you have a transition between these shades it >just doesn't look good enough up close - the texture changes. I dont have a Canon printer, but from what you've said, I doubt it is can compete with these dedicated inksets. When used properly, the Epson printer + B&W inkset approach works very well. Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > I used the UT-3D regularly on an R220. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT-3D_Readme.pdf So, in the abstract, the > inkset should perform well on the R200, but I can't say whether the 220 > profiles will be well matched to the 200. I've never tested that. My guess > is that the curves may need to be re-linearized. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf for > the basic procedures to do that. > > > > The UT-R2 inkset is one you might want to consider, particularly if you're
> just starting to get into B&W digital printing. See > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R200_R2_Readme.pdf > > > > Good luck with the system. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > marko.mili > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:44 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R200 with Ultratone 3D? > > > > I can get unused R200 locally to get me started with B&W printing. One > thing that is not clear to me is whether R200 can be used with UT-3D > inks (it seems that this would be the best choice of inks for > versatility and for learning). > > Can I use R200 or should I try to find R220? > > (I have PrintFix PRO for profiling, if that makes a difference) > > Thanks.