Digital BW, The Print

I know Platinum Rag was designed for MK ink.  But I just read an
article by Royce Bair in which he states:

"Using PremierArt's Print Shield in combination the Matte Black ink
over top of all of the papers (except the Ink Press Fiber Gloss, which
benefited little by this application) produces some incredibly rich
blacks, especially on the Crane Museo Silver Rag."

From this it seems it's possible and perhaps even desirable to use MK
with Silver Rag?  That's the first time I've ever heard of this, so I
just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.

Reason I ask is I love the F-type papers (have tried Harman Gloss,
Silver Rag, Platinum Rag and Innova F-type so far) but hate switching
back and forth from MK to PK on my R2400.

From what I've seen, the problem with MK being used on a PK surface is lack
of adhesion. So if you are very careful not to damage the surface and have
taken care not to apply more ink than the substrate can hold, a protective
spray will allow you to use MK.  I have not run those test with the specific
materials in question and I'd not try to roll or brush on the coating but
only spray it on. 

 

Eric

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
chriskjezp
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:09 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Using MK with F-type papers?

 

I know Platinum Rag was designed for MK ink. But I just read an
article by Royce Bair in which he states:

"Using PremierArt's Print Shield in combination the Matte Black ink
over top of all of the papers (except the Ink Press Fiber Gloss, which
benefited little by this application) produces some incredibly rich
blacks, especially on the Crane Museo Silver Rag."

From this it seems it's possible and perhaps even desirable to use MK
with Silver Rag? That's the first time I've ever heard of this, so I
just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.

Reason I ask is I love the F-type papers (have tried Harman Gloss,
Silver Rag, Platinum Rag and Innova F-type so far) but hate switching
back and forth from MK to PK on my R2400.

 



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> ... Platinum Rag was designed for MK ink. But ...

I don't think any of these FB glossy papers is very good with MK -- at least
Eboni.  With Platinum, the best dmax I've obtained (L 4.9) is with the 260,
MIS PKN, QTR BO.  Eboni smears and has gloss differential. The Epson driver
on this paper does not reach a very high dmax with at least the MIS PKs.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I am using the Innova Semi Matte and Innova Ultrasmooth Gloss with MK 
on a 9600 all the time now. Before it is sprayed it looks horrible, 
as with PK also. After two light coats of  Premier Art it looks just 
like PK after it is sprayed. I have had not a single issue with 
adhesion with Epson K2. My clients love it. I'm so happy to be able 
to use this material without the nightmare of switching to PK. I have 
profiles for PK also and if anything the only difference after 
spraying is a slightly better dmax with MK.

These papers do scratch easily before printing, but that is an issue 
with the emulsion, not the inks. You need to handle the paper 
carefully before output.


john



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> From what I've seen, the problem with MK being used on a PK surface 
is lack
> of adhesion. So if you are very careful not to damage the surface 
and have
> taken care not to apply more ink than the substrate can hold, a 
protective
> spray will allow you to use MK.  I have not run those test with the 
specific
> materials in question and I'd not try to roll or brush on the 
coating but
> only spray it on. 
> 
>  
> 
> Eric
> 
>  
> 
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 
> 4101 Commerce Street
> 
> Suite 9
> 
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 
> http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> 
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> 
> Skype ejprinter
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> chriskjezp
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Using MK with F-type papers?
> 
>  
> 
> I know Platinum Rag was designed for MK ink. But I just read an
> article by Royce Bair in which he states:
> 
> "Using PremierArt's Print Shield in combination the Matte Black ink
> over top of all of the papers (except the Ink Press Fiber Gloss, 
which
> benefited little by this application) produces some incredibly rich
> blacks, especially on the Crane Museo Silver Rag."
> 
> From this it seems it's possible and perhaps even desirable to use 
MK
> with Silver Rag? That's the first time I've ever heard of this, so I
> just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.
> 
> Reason I ask is I love the F-type papers (have tried Harman Gloss,
> Silver Rag, Platinum Rag and Innova F-type so far) but hate 
switching

> back and forth from MK to PK on my R2400.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

John, so you see no easy scratch off and marring just a "horrible" look. How
is that horrible look described?  

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john dean
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:34 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Using MK with F-type papers?

 

I am using the Innova Semi Matte and Innova Ultrasmooth Gloss with MK 
on a 9600 all the time now. Before it is sprayed it looks horrible, 
as with PK also. After two light coats of Premier Art it looks just 
like PK after it is sprayed. I have had not a single issue with 
adhesion with Epson K2. My clients love it. I'm so happy to be able 
to use this material without the nightmare of switching to PK. I have 
profiles for PK also and if anything the only difference after 
spraying is a slightly better dmax with MK.

These papers do scratch easily before printing, but that is an issue 
with the emulsion, not the inks. You need to handle the paper 
carefully before output.

john

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> From what I've seen, the problem with MK being used on a PK surface 
is lack
> of adhesion. So if you are very careful not to damage the surface 
and have
> taken care not to apply more ink than the substrate can hold, a 
protective
> spray will allow you to use MK. I have not run those test with the 
specific
> materials in question and I'd not try to roll or brush on the 
coating but
> only spray it on. 
> 
> 
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 
> 4101 Commerce Street
> 
> Suite 9
> 
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 
> http://e.neilsen. <http://e.neilsen.home.att.net> home.att.net
> 
> http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com
> 
> Skype ejprinter
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> chriskjezp
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Using MK with F-type papers?
> 
> 
> 
> I know Platinum Rag was designed for MK ink. But I just read an
> article by Royce Bair in which he states:
> 
> "Using PremierArt's Print Shield in combination the Matte Black ink
> over top of all of the papers (except the Ink Press Fiber Gloss, 
which
> benefited little by this application) produces some incredibly rich
> blacks, especially on the Crane Museo Silver Rag."
> 
> From this it seems it's possible and perhaps even desirable to use 
MK
> with Silver Rag? That's the first time I've ever heard of this, so I
> just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.
> 
> Reason I ask is I love the F-type papers (have tried Harman Gloss,
> Silver Rag, Platinum Rag and Innova F-type so far) but hate 
switching
> back and forth from MK to PK on my R2400.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I am using the Innova Semi Matte and Innova Ultrasmooth Gloss with MK 
> on a 9600 all the time now. Before it is sprayed it looks horrible, 
> as with PK also. After two light coats of  Premier Art it looks just 
> like PK after it is sprayed. I have had not a single issue with 
> adhesion with Epson K2. My clients love it. I'm so happy to be able 
> to use this material without the nightmare of switching to PK. I have 
> profiles for PK also and if anything the only difference after 
> spraying is a slightly better dmax with MK.
> 
> These papers do scratch easily before printing, but that is an issue 
> with the emulsion, not the inks. You need to handle the paper 
> carefully before output.
> 
> 
> john

John,

I'm glad to hear you're having good results with MK and a glossy
paper.  I've wanted to try Innova Ultrasmooth Gloss for some time, and
now I'm even more motivated.  I'm using MK with Platinum Rag with good
results, and if I could add another glossy paper to the line-up
without switching to PK I'd be happy.

Question: are you using the ABW mode?  What paper type do you select
in the driver (because with MK installed none of the glossy paper
types will appear)?

Side note: the article I read by Royce Bair said something similar
regarding Silver Rag, i.e. using the MK produces ugly results until it
is sprayed with the Premier Art shield, at which point it looks very
good.  Has anyone tried this with Silver Rag?  (I would, but I don't
currently have any PremierArt Shield on hand).
Thanks,
Chris