Digital BW, The Print

Please note: I also posted this on the Epson 4000 Forum, but have not 
had any responses (it's a little quiet over there).  So I apologize 
in advance for the cross posting.

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This is really a color question, not B/W, but this group is diverse 
and there is a lot of expertise here.  

I am curious if anybody has used the Epson K3 inks or the MIS 
equivalent (for the 3800 or 4800) in a 4000?

Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver 
doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink, but the ink formulations in 
the K3's are different and I'd expect they are probably wider gamut. 
(I know I would need new custom profiles).

If you have used them....

Was it an improvement?

What about Dmax and overall color gamut?

More or less clogging?

Other thoughts?

Thanks, Lou Dina

In a message dated 10/6/2007 1:14:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lou@... writes:

I am  curious if anybody has used the Epson K3 inks or the MIS 
equivalent (for  the 3800 or 4800) in a 4000?



Lou:
 
I'm running both a 4000 and 2 4800's in color mode.
There is very little discernable difference between the UC and K3 inksets  in 
MK mode. There is quite a bit of difference in the PK mode as you suspect. If 
 you are going to print on matte papers, save your hair. Same result. I have  
Imageprint loaded for both, and use the IP profiles and again, matte papers  
print pretty much the same.
 
Richard Massie



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I've been using the MIS K4 inks (minus LLK) with funnel fill carts in  
my Epson 4000 for quite awhile.  Works very well for me, for both  
color and B&W work using the Colorburst X-Photo RIP and QTR.  No  
clogs, good color gamut and reliable printing.

Carl

On Oct 6, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Louis Dina wrote:

> Please note: I also posted this on the Epson 4000 Forum, but have not
> had any responses (it's a little quiet over there).  So I apologize
> in advance for the cross posting.
>
> ****************
>
> This is really a color question, not B/W, but this group is diverse
> and there is a lot of expertise here.
>
> I am curious if anybody has used the Epson K3 inks or the MIS
> equivalent (for the 3800 or 4800) in a 4000?
>
> Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver
> doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink, but the ink formulations in
> the K3's are different and I'd expect they are probably wider gamut.
> (I know I would need new custom profiles).
>
> If you have used them....
>
> Was it an improvement?
>
> What about Dmax and overall color gamut?
>
> More or less clogging?
>
> Other thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Lou Dina

Carl/Richard,

Thanks for the responses.  I suspected there might be some extended 
gamut and less bronzing on gloss/semigloss/luster papers using the K4 
inkset with Photoblack.  I didn't realized that the matte results 
were nearly identical, so that is helpful.

I appreciate it.  

Best regards, Lou Dina


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<list@...> wrote:
>
> I've been using the MIS K4 inks (minus LLK) with funnel fill carts 
in  
> my Epson 4000 for quite awhile.  Works very well for me, for both  
> color and B&W work using the Colorburst X-Photo RIP and QTR.  No  
> clogs, good color gamut and reliable printing.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Oct 6, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Louis Dina wrote:
> 
> > Please note: I also posted this on the Epson 4000 Forum, but have 
not
> > had any responses (it's a little quiet over there).  So I 
apologize
> > in advance for the cross posting.
> >
> > ****************
> >
> > This is really a color question, not B/W, but this group is 
diverse
> > and there is a lot of expertise here.
> >
> > I am curious if anybody has used the Epson K3 inks or the MIS
> > equivalent (for the 3800 or 4800) in a 4000?
> >
> > Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver
> > doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink, but the ink formulations 
in
> > the K3's are different and I'd expect they are probably wider 
gamut.

> > (I know I would need new custom profiles).
> >
> > If you have used them....
> >
> > Was it an improvement?
> >
> > What about Dmax and overall color gamut?
> >
> > More or less clogging?
> >
> > Other thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks, Lou Dina
>

" Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver 
doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink..."

Is there a way to trap the driver to use all the eight inks sets? I think I have read this somewhere.

Michel

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In a message dated 10/7/2007 5:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sinwen@... writes:

" Of  course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver 
doesn't  recognize a 2nd light black ink..."

Is there a way to trap the driver  to use all the eight inks sets? I think I 
have read this  somewhere.

Michel




When you pick the paper type, you set the Epson driver to use one or the  
other K ink, not both.
 
Richard Massie



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Unfortunately, no, not even with a RIP.  This is hardwired in the  
firmware and would require some serious hacking to get around.

On Oct 7, 2007, at 5:36 PM, sinwen wrote:

> " Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver
> doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink..."
>
> Is there a way to trap the driver to use all the eight inks sets? I  
> think I have read this somewhere.
>
> Michel

Carl. are you saying you have been unable to use multiple grays even 
with QTR?

Steven Karafyllakis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<list@...> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, no, not even with a RIP.  This is hardwired in the  
> firmware and would require some serious hacking to get around.
> 
> On Oct 7, 2007, at 5:36 PM, sinwen wrote:
> 
> > " Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver
> > doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink..."
> >
> > Is there a way to trap the driver to use all the eight inks sets? 
I  

> > think I have read this somewhere.
> >
> > Michel
>

Steve,

No, you just can't use the PK and MK channels at the same time.  It  
would have been nice to be able to add an LLK ink to one of these  
black slots and still keep all of the color slots, but Epson reserved  
that configuration for the 4800 which was already in the works when  
they were selling the 4000.

Carl

On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Steven Karafyllakis wrote:

> Carl. are you saying you have been unable to use multiple grays even
> with QTR?
>
> Steven Karafyllakis
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <list@...> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, no, not even with a RIP.  This is hardwired in the
>> firmware and would require some serious hacking to get around.
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2007, at 5:36 PM, sinwen wrote:
>>
>>> " Of course, the LLK ink could not be used, since the 4000 driver
>>> doesn't recognize a 2nd light black ink..."
>>>
>>> Is there a way to trap the driver to use all the eight inks sets?
> I
>>> think I have read this somewhere.
>>>
>>> Michel
>>