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Piezography BW ICC

Piezography BW ICC

2007-12-15 by Tony Sleep

I used to use Cone's Piezography inks in a CIS with Epson 1160 via the 
Piezography PS plugin, with great results. This just worked. On suitable 
papers I got results that were excellent and a close match to the screen 
image.

About 18m ago I finally ran out of the inks and had to move to the BW ICC 
Piezotone inks, new cartridges for the CIS, etc. I immediately found that 
- even following the workflow instructions carefully - I was unable to get 
prints that were anything like as good as with the old system. I couldn't 
see what I was doing wrong and eventually gave up.

Recently I've had a requirement to print B&W, and have spent more time 
trying to get the BW ICC system working properly. This time around I am 
using Qimage, which I have always used for colour printing because 
printing from PS is a PITA.

Despite being very careful in following the workflow outlined in the 
manual, unless I do this lower midtone contrast goes way up, shadows 
block, highlights are fine but upper midtones blow out to almost nothing 
and no contrast, and the print looks nothing like the (profiled) screen.

I an finding I am having to do radical curve reshaping to the image in PS 
in order to get acceptable print results from the BW Hahn Photo Rag profile.

I have even tried using the new BW ICC inks with the old PS plugin/driver 
(bad), and that gives better prints (though not right) than using Cone's 
BW ICC profiles via his recommended workflow.

Qimage works fine for colour printing via a different printer. I'm pretty 
comfortable with colour managed workflows, have been using them for many 
years.

This is not a simple gamma issue so seems unlikely to be a stupid workflow 
error. The curve I have to derive by trial and error and apply in PS 
comprises compound curves like a switchnack, which suggests to me that the 
Cone profile is completely screwy. It is the only way I can get a decent 
print though.

Yes, the inks are in the correct positions ;)

DMax is not quite as good with Portfolio black as it was with the now 
discontinued Black Black. And the 1160 Epson driver dither pattern is 
coarser than with the Plugin. BW ICC has so far been a big and irritating 
disappointment and waste of money and expensive paper.

I just wondered if this matched anyone else's experience of BW ICC?
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: Piezography BW ICC

2007-12-16 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:
...
> 
> I just wondered if this matched anyone else's experience of BW ICC?

I have friends that used it for a long time with great results.
I would ask here-

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/

and contact their support system.
Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Piezography BW ICC

2007-12-16 by Tony Sleep

On 16/12/2007 Tyler Boley wrote:
> I have friends that used it for a long time with great results.
> I would ask here-
> 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/

Thank you Tyler, I had no idea that group existed.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

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