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Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-28 by David Wroblewski

Hi all,

After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my 
UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until 
now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground. 
Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with 
expansive black areas -- white flowers against
a black backdrop, for example.

Two simple questions:

(1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays? 

(2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with 
Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this 
just something I need to live with on the 2200?

I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the 
x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
(and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)

Thanks, 
David

Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by guy_staley

It's entirely possible to get truely exhibition quality prints with that printer, those inks, and 
that RIP. And with todays best papers...? Off 'da hook baby!

And you can print big, black and beautiful, but it'll cost ya!

Personally, I'm using the slightly newer (though not necessarily better) "3D" inks, and the 
blacks I've been able to achieve are as good (if not better) as the blacks I was getting with 
Gallerie in the fume room. Truely rich, velvety, blacks are totally doable!

Now HAVE at it!

-G

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski" 
<dawroblewski@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
> 
> After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
> trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my 
> UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until 
> now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground. 
> Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with 
> expansive black areas -- white flowers against
> a black backdrop, for example.
> 
> Two simple questions:
> 
> (1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays? 
> 
> (2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with 
> Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
> remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
> guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
> remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this 
> just something I need to live with on the 2200?
> 
> I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
> good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the 
> x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
> work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
> (and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)
> 
> Thanks, 
> David
>

Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by guy_staley

Oh yeah, forgot to mention: those pesky wheel marks can be delt with. Mine prints 
flawless black feilds of goodness! :)

Ciao.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "guy_staley" <guy_staley@...> 
wrote:
>
> It's entirely possible to get truely exhibition quality prints with that printer, those inks, 
and 
> that RIP. And with todays best papers...? Off 'da hook baby!
> 
> And you can print big, black and beautiful, but it'll cost ya!
> 
> Personally, I'm using the slightly newer (though not necessarily better) "3D" inks, and 
the 
> blacks I've been able to achieve are as good (if not better) as the blacks I was getting 
with
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Gallerie in the fume room. Truely rich, velvety, blacks are totally doable!
> 
> Now HAVE at it!
> 
> -G
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski" 
> <dawroblewski@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
> > trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my 
> > UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until 
> > now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground. 
> > Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with 
> > expansive black areas -- white flowers against
> > a black backdrop, for example.
> > 
> > Two simple questions:
> > 
> > (1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays? 
> > 
> > (2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with 
> > Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
> > remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
> > guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
> > remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this 
> > just something I need to live with on the 2200?
> > 
> > I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
> > good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the 
> > x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
> > work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
> > (and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > David
> >
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by David Whistance

Guy, how did you get rid of the wheel marks?  I'm having the same problem
with this printer and the MediaStreet GQ inks.

David Whistance
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  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions


  Oh yeah, forgot to mention: those pesky wheel marks can be delt with. Mine
prints
  flawless black feilds of goodness! :)

  Ciao.

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "guy_staley"
<guy_staley@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > It's entirely possible to get truely exhibition quality prints with that
printer, those inks,
  and
  > that RIP. And with todays best papers...? Off 'da hook baby!
  >
  > And you can print big, black and beautiful, but it'll cost ya!
  >
  > Personally, I'm using the slightly newer (though not necessarily better)
"3D" inks, and
  the
  > blacks I've been able to achieve are as good (if not better) as the
blacks I was getting
  with
  > Gallerie in the fume room. Truely rich, velvety, blacks are totally
doable!
  >
  > Now HAVE at it!
  >
  > -G
  >
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski"
  > <dawroblewski@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hi all,
  > >
  > > After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
  > > trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my
  > > UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until
  > > now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground.
  > > Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with
  > > expansive black areas -- white flowers against
  > > a black backdrop, for example.
  > >
  > > Two simple questions:
  > >
  > > (1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays?
  > >
  > > (2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with
  > > Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
  > > remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
  > > guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
  > > remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this
  > > just something I need to live with on the 2200?
  > >
  > > I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
  > > good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the
  > > x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
  > > work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
  > > (and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)
  > >
  > > Thanks,
  > > David
  > >
  >



  


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Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by djon43

FIX: Roller/Wheel Marks 2200...fibre gloss.

I eliminated roller and scratch marks with OEM/2200 on a couple of new
fibre glossies (never had marks on Kirkland):

1) stack a 1" riser on top of feed tray (don't just elevate feed
tray...the idea is to lift the paper as soon as it exits, before its
far outside the exit wheels). I use a box of paper for elevation.

2) feed from back, not top.

The idea is to minimize the bends the paper experiences in the printer. 

It may not be necessary to do both with all sensitive papers or all
sizes...I suspect it's not necessary with 5X7 for example. 

Can't say if this works with sensitive fibre paper larger than
letter-size because I'm still using Entrada and Kayenta at 11X17 and
13X19 and they've never suffered any marks (I always load them from
the back anyway)/

Pre-flexing might allow these 200+ gsm papers to be stack loaded from
the top...a real convenience...I've not yet tested.

I had no marks prior to use of fibre papers (I first got them with new
Moab Fibre Gloss and their replacement for Kokopelli, an ultra high
gloss very much like Kirkland...IMO the problem has to do with new,
softer coatings as I never had marks on old Kokopelli or Kirkland. The
new coatings, such as Moab Colorado Fibre Gloss and Moab Colorado
Fibre Satine produce SUPER blacks with OEM/QTR. 

I've seen no reason to tinker with the pizza wheels...



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David
Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hi all,
> 
> After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
> trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my 
> UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until 
> now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground. 
> Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with 
> expansive black areas -- white flowers against
> a black backdrop, for example.
> 
> Two simple questions:
> 
> (1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays? 
> 
> (2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with 
> Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
> remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
> guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
> remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this 
> just something I need to live with on the 2200?
> 
> I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
> good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the 
> x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
> work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
> (and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)
> 
> Thanks, 
> David
>

Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by David Wroblewski

Hello Guy,

Thanks for the reply, good to hear this is working for you.  Are you
using
the MIS PKN instead of Ebony with your UT3D setup? What paper(s) are you
printing on? And how did you eliminate the the wheel marks?

Thanks,
David

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "guy_staley"
<guy_staley@...> wrote:
>
> It's entirely possible to get truely exhibition quality prints with
that printer, those inks, and
> that RIP. And with todays best papers...? Off 'da hook baby!
>
> And you can print big, black and beautiful, but it'll cost ya!
>
> Personally, I'm using the slightly newer (though not necessarily
better) "3D" inks, and the
> blacks I've been able to achieve are as good (if not better) as the
blacks I was getting with
> Gallerie in the fume room. Truely rich, velvety, blacks are totally
doable!
>
> Now HAVE at it!
>
> -G
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David
Wroblewski"
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> dawroblewski@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After a long layoff, I'd like to get my hands inky again
> > trying some of the new glossy fiber-style papers with my
> > UT-7/2200/IJC setup. I've been working with matte until
> > now (EEM for proof, HPR for finals) so this is new ground.
> > Especially, I want to be able to print pictures with
> > expansive black areas -- white flowers against
> > a black backdrop, for example.
> >
> > Two simple questions:
> >
> > (1) Ink: What's should I be swapping for Ebony nowadays?
> >
> > (2) Wheel marks: the couple of times I experimented with
> > Kirkland glossy, I wound up with pizza wheel tracks and (if I
> > remember right) rubber roller marks. I tried wedging up the
> > guide wheels with wire ties, but then (again, if I
> > remember right) the paper feed was compromised. Is this
> > just something I need to live with on the 2200?
> >
> > I'd appreciate any reports on similar setups that are producing
> > good results. I'm trying to resist the urge to get any of the
> > x800 K3 printers for a while and see if I can make this setup
> > work for glossy, as the printer itself is still pretty reliable
> > (and I have spare empty carts for the PK.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
>

Re: Black/Glossy UT7 questions

2007-12-31 by David Wroblewski

> I eliminated roller and scratch marks with OEM/2200 on a couple of new
> fibre glossies (never had marks on Kirkland):
> 
> 1) stack a 1" riser on top of feed tray (don't just elevate feed
> tray...the idea is to lift the paper as soon as it exits, before its
> far outside the exit wheels). I use a box of paper for elevation.

Okay, very interesting. The larger sizes are the issue for me. I 
always feed from the back for 13x19, but not when proofing on
8x10 -- maybe that was one source of my wheel-mark problems. I
never thought of elevating the output.

> 2) feed from back, not top.
> 
> The idea is to minimize the bends the paper experiences in the printer. 
> 

Why minimize bends? So the paper doesn't put upward pressure
on the feed mechanism, which somehow causes roller marks?

Thanks much for the advice,
d

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