Digital BW, The Print

I currently have an Epson 2200 that is on it's last legs. I do
primarily black and white using IJC/OPM, and QTR loaded with either
Epson UC or MIS UT7inks. Currently IJC doesn't support the Epson 3800
but QTR does.What I would be interested in is what printer to replace
the 2200?
I am not adverse to giving either the Epson 3800,R2400, or something
else a try. The only reason for considering the 3800 is the occasional
time I would like to print a larger size. I also realize the problems
ongoing with obtaining empty carts because of the recent litigation by
epson, which creates another issues. Thanks, any suggestions will be
welcomed. 
Patrick

Hello Patrick,

>I currently have an Epson 2200 that is on it's last legs. I do
>primarily black and white using IJC/OPM, and QTR loaded with either
>Epson UC or MIS UT7inks. Currently IJC doesn't support the Epson 3800
>but QTR does.What I would be interested in is what printer to replace
>the 2200?
>I am not adverse to giving either the Epson 3800,R2400, or something
>else a try. The only reason for considering the 3800 is the 
>occasional time I would like to print a larger size. I also realize 
>the problems ongoing with obtaining empty carts because of the 
?recent litigation by epson, which creates another issues. Thanks, 
>any suggestions will be welcomed. 

Some random thoughts:

If you want a new 17" printer then there's not much choice (sticking
with Epson): either the 3800 or 4800, both of which are K3 printers.  

If you stick with a 13" printer then the 1400/1800 have smaller dot
sizes and can do more things with a RIP (such as 3MK, etc).  The only
reason to get a 2400 would be if you wanted to use the K3 inks.  Why
spend more money for a printer you intend to drive with a RIP and 3P
inks?  Well, maybe to use K7 inks and/or a CIS or something.  There
may be a reason, but it will be pretty specific.  

The real beauty of a 2400 is the combination of K3 inks and the ABW
driver, resulting in top notch results and unprecedented ease of use.

Besides producing good results, having good longevity, and ABW's ease
of use, another advantage of K3 inks is they rarely clog, and of
course no hassles with chips, refilling, and carts
availability/reliability.  But it's more expensive, so there's always
a trade off.  You just have to decide where you place the most value.

If you want to use K3 inks, cost is a bigger issue and a 3800 will be
more cost effective in the long run because of the larger carts. 

There are other possibilities as well, such as using a 3800 with QTR
and Eboni to get larger size pure carbon prints, or with K7 inks, etc.

I hope these thoughts are of some help.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Suggestion: if by "on its last legs" you mean it "clogs,"  you might
want to revert exclusively to Epson's OEM pigments. UT7 may be causing
those "last legs." 

By evaluating a few papers and selecting an appropriate QTR curve you
should be able to produce blacks equal to UT7, and with greater Dmax,
using the OEM pigments. 

Having made the comparison in various lights, I find that true for
HPR, several Moabs (Colorado Fibre Satine's my favorite, along with
the sadly-discontinued, ultracold Kayenta), and Costco/Kirkland. I use
curves without any Yellow, mostly Cyan and the Blacks, which
neutralizes Epson's "red" Black and eliminates the bronze that comes
from Yellow. 

If "last legs" means mechanical failure, that's another question. I
think top-loading with heavy gsm paper wears these machines very quickly.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Kealey"
<pjkealey@...> wrote:

>
> I currently have an Epson 2200 that is on it's last legs. I do
> primarily black and white using IJC/OPM, and QTR loaded with either
> Epson UC or MIS UT7inks. Currently IJC doesn't support the Epson 3800
> but QTR does.What I would be interested in is what printer to replace
> the 2200?
> I am not adverse to giving either the Epson 3800,R2400, or something
> else a try. The only reason for considering the 3800 is the occasional
> time I would like to print a larger size. I also realize the problems
> ongoing with obtaining empty carts because of the recent litigation by
> epson, which creates another issues. Thanks, any suggestions will be
> welcomed. 
> Patrick
>

Hello djon43,

>I think top-loading with heavy gsm paper wears these machines very 
>quickly.

I think that's what happened to mine.  Right before (thank goodness)
the end of it's 2-year replacement warranty, after many prints on
heavy paper, the paper feed mechanism began dying.  There have been a
few other reports of 2200 paper feed deaths reported here over the
past couple of years.  Looking back, I now view it as a blessing in
disguise because it got me into a 2400, and only cost me $225.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Djon43, and Clayton, thanks for your input, "last legs" is the paper feed mechanism dying. I, currently, am leaning towards the 2400, although the 3800 is still there luring me like Homer's sirens.
Patrick

Clayton Jones <cj@cjcom.net> wrote:                               Hello djon43,
 
 >I think top-loading with heavy gsm paper wears these machines very 
 >quickly.
 
 I think that's what happened to mine.  Right before (thank goodness)
 the end of it's 2-year replacement warranty, after many prints on
 heavy paper, the paper feed mechanism began dying.  There have been a
 few other reports of 2200 paper feed deaths reported here over the
 past couple of years.  Looking back, I now view it as a blessing in
 disguise because it got me into a 2400, and only cost me $225.
 
 Regards,
 Clayton
 
 Info on black and white digital printing at    
 http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
 
 
     
                               

       
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Patrick -

How I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE that analogy! The paper feed  
mechanism went on my R1800 as well (only after a year and a half) and  
I didn't use heavy paper at all. I am now waiting patiently for my  
2400 to arrive. I wanted to go for the 3800 but I simply couldn't  
afford it.

:)

AnnMarie Tornabene
www.annmarietornabene.net

On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Patrick Kealey wrote:

> I, currently, am leaning towards the 2400, although the 3800 is  
> still there luring me like Homer's sirens.







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>Looking back, I now view it as a blessing in
>disguise because it got me into a 2400, and only cost me $225.

An Epson printer is not a typical  asset.  It's a license to purchase 
Epson ink!

Arthur

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