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2007-12-28 by Kevin
and I find it confusing. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/SupportIndex.jsp? BV_UseBVCookie=yes&expansion=1000000 Is the R280 a current model? Also, will the R280's driver allow me to print "Black Only" using MIS Eboni carbon ink?
2007-12-28 by Kevin
Actually, the current models are at this link on the Epson Store: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductCategory.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=- 8165 Anyway, I really enjoyed my B&W images using the BO method and the 1280. Would the R280 give me the same (or better) results I got with the 1280 and MIS Eboni carbon cartridge?
2007-12-28 by Paul Roark
>Is the R280 a current model? It's the current version of the R260. Look at the inks that are used to see if the printers are the same. >Also, will the R280's driver allow me to print "Black Only" >using MIS Eboni carbon ink? See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm I assume you'll still need to use QTR for Eboni black only. >Would the R280 give me the same (or better) results I got with the >1280 and MIS Eboni carbon cartridge? Far better. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-12-28 by Kevin
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > > >Is the R280 a current model? > > It's the current version of the R260. Look at the inks that are used to see > if the printers are the same. > > >Also, will the R280's driver allow me to print "Black Only" > >using MIS Eboni carbon ink? > > See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm I assume you'll still need > to use QTR for Eboni black only. sorry, but what's a QTR? my 2400 driver does not let me select "black ink only". just wondering if the R280 does? if it does, i suppose it's just a matter of getting an MIS Eboni cartridge?
> > >Would the R280 give me the same (or better) results I got with the > >1280 and MIS Eboni carbon cartridge? > > Far better. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
2007-12-28 by Paul Roark
I doubt the 280 driver has a black only printing mode. QTR is "QuadToneRip" - see http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html A "rip" (raster image processor") is a third part printing utility that gives us control of the printer where Epson does not. Roy Harrington's QTR is the best value in B&W rips. For my recent inksets and workflows, QTR is used a lot to get the most out of the printers. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:41 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson has revised their website (R280?) --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > > >Is the R280 a current model? > > It's the current version of the R260. Look at the inks that are used to see > if the printers are the same. > > >Also, will the R280's driver allow me to print "Black Only" > >using MIS Eboni carbon ink? > > See http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm> k.com/BW-Info/R260.htm I assume you'll still need > to use QTR for Eboni black only. sorry, but what's a QTR? my 2400 driver does not let me select "black ink only". just wondering if the R280 does? if it does, i suppose it's just a matter of getting an MIS Eboni cartridge? > > >Would the R280 give me the same (or better) results I got with the > >1280 and MIS Eboni carbon cartridge? > > Far better. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-12-28 by Kevin
I'll take a look at the QTR link, but in the meantime, how does one do BO printing these days when the newer machines and drivers don't allow for the option? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > I doubt the 280 driver has a black only printing mode. QTR is "QuadToneRip" > - see http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html A "rip" (raster > image processor") is a third part printing utility that gives us control of > the printer where Epson does not.
2007-12-28 by Mike Johnston
Hi, How is the R280's reliability and ink clogging? Thanks Mike J.
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Roark Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson has revised their website (R280?) >Is the R280 a current model? It's the current version of the R260. Look at the inks that are used to see if the printers are the same. >Also, will the R280's driver allow me to print "Black Only" >using MIS Eboni carbon ink? See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R260.htm I assume you'll still need to use QTR for Eboni black only. >Would the R280 give me the same (or better) results I got with the >1280 and MIS Eboni carbon cartridge? Far better. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-12-28 by Mike Johnston
The QTR requirements page: http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRrequire.html Does not list the 260 or 280. Is it similar enough to the 1280? Thanks Mike J.
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Roark Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:58 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson has revised their website (R280?) I doubt the 280 driver has a black only printing mode. QTR is "QuadToneRip" - see http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html A "rip" (raster image processor") is a third part printing utility that gives us control of the printer where Epson does not. Roy Harrington's QTR is the best value in B&W rips. For my recent inksets and workflows, QTR is used a lot to get the most out of the printers. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
2007-12-28 by Paul Roark
>I'll take a look at the QTR link, but in the meantime, >how does one do BO printing these days when the newer >machines and drivers don't allow for the option? Epson wants B&W photographers to use its 2400 and other "k3" printers. >How is the R280's reliability and ink clogging? My 260 has been nearly perfect. It's the one I use for daily printing. I generally use the 1800 or 7500 for my best B&W. The 260 with Eboni does good black only, but the 1800 with the 3-MK workflow is slightly smoother. >The QTR requirements page: > http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRrequire.html > Does not list the 260 or 280. Is it similar enough to the 1280? See http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html The 260 family is supported. Be sure MIS has the carts available for these. I'm not sure what MIS's status is with respect to carts. (They're closed for year-end inventory now.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-12-28 by Tyler Boley
Again, the answer would be QTR. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <vinke@...> wrote:
> > I'll take a look at the QTR link, but in the meantime, how does one do > BO printing these days when the newer machines and drivers don't allow > for the option? > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@> wrote: > > > > I doubt the 280 driver has a black only printing mode. QTR > is "QuadToneRip" > > - see http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html A "rip" > (raster > > image processor") is a third part printing utility that gives us > control of > > the printer where Epson does not. >
2007-12-28 by Mitch Greenwald
Mike -- I don't know the answer to your question, but the 260/280 is very different from the 1280. Probably closer to the 220, if that's listed, or maybe the 1400. Others here will know better. Mitch Mike Johnston wrote:
> The QTR requirements page: > http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRrequire.html > Does not list the 260 or 280. Is it similar enough to the 1280? > > Thanks > Mike J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Roark > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:58 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson has revised their website (R280?) > > I doubt the 280 driver has a black only printing mode. QTR is "QuadToneRip" > - see http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html A "rip" (raster > image processor") is a third part printing utility that gives us control of > the printer where Epson does not. Roy Harrington's QTR is the best value in > B&W rips. For my recent inksets and workflows, QTR is used a lot to get the > most out of the printers. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2007-12-28 by Mike Johnston
Thanks Paul and Mitch. Mike J.
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Roark Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:21 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] 280 (was OK & Epson has revised their website) >I'll take a look at the QTR link, but in the meantime, >how does one do BO printing these days when the newer >machines and drivers don't allow for the option? Epson wants B&W photographers to use its 2400 and other "k3" printers. >How is the R280's reliability and ink clogging? My 260 has been nearly perfect. It's the one I use for daily printing. I generally use the 1800 or 7500 for my best B&W. The 260 with Eboni does good black only, but the 1800 with the 3-MK workflow is slightly smoother. >The QTR requirements page: > http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRrequire.html > Does not list the 260 or 280. Is it similar enough to the 1280? See http://www.quadtonerip.com/html/QTRoverview.html The 260 family is supported. Be sure MIS has the carts available for these. I'm not sure what MIS's status is with respect to carts. (They're closed for year-end inventory now.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-12-28 by Kevin
this is looking more like a path i don't want to go down. if QTR (RIP) is needed for the cheapo R280 to do black only printing, wouldn't it be wise to continue with the R2400...won't the 2400 do the same BO printing with the "QTR"? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > Again, the answer would be QTR. > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <vinke@> wrote: > > > > I'll take a look at the QTR link, but in the meantime, how does one do > > BO printing these days when the newer machines and drivers don't allow
> > for the option? > > >
2007-12-28 by Paul Roark
>...won't the 2400 do the same BO printing with the "QTR"? No, the 2400 has a larger drop size. But give it a try and see if you like the results. QTR allows users to try before they buy (for all of $50). If you have OEM MK, the prints will be warm, whereas Eboni is neutral. However, with either ink you'll be able to see if the print is smooth enough for you. Paul www.PaulRoark.com