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2008-01-22 by Stephen Kobrin
I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or processing in PS. Thanks for any help. Steve
2008-01-22 by ann clancy
film tends to lose speed, which would result in a lack of shadow details.
regards,
ann
Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@...> wrote:
I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer.
Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated
film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is
not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail.
Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am
relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or
processing in PS.
Thanks for any help.
Steve
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-01-22 by gerardthomas517x
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...> wrote: > > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > processing in PS. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve > Steve...years ago I used to store tri-x in the freezer for months. when I decided to use it roll by roll I let it thaw out , exposed it,and develpped it ..ASAP...never had a problem,some of it was 6moths past it's due date I never used xp2 though so your results may vary??? Mike
2008-01-22 by Peter De Smidt
> Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@... > <mailto:kobrins%40wharton.upenn.edu>> wrote: > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > processing in PS. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve Old film can show loss of sensitivity and contrast, increased fog and graininess, and other ills. This is especially true of color films, of which XP-2 is a subset. I expect that you'd want to get different film. -Peter
2008-01-22 by Eric Neilsen
Before you throw that baby out with the bath water, do yourself a favor and try scanning it again, What are your methods now? With XP2 I found I needed to pay attention to noise in the scan an different channel will produce radically different results. The magenta mask with that film can get quite high, so you may not be able to see some things unless you carefully inspect negs. You may want to try a different processor as well. Then again it could be toast. When did it expire? Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter De Smidt Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:31 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Film deterioration > Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@wharton. <mailto:kobrins%40wharton.upenn.edu> upenn.edu > <mailto:kobrins%40wharton.upenn.edu>> wrote: > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > processing in PS. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve Old film can show loss of sensitivity and contrast, increased fog and graininess, and other ills. This is especially true of color films, of which XP-2 is a subset. I expect that you'd want to get different film. -Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-22 by Stephen Kobrin
Eric, I have scanned XP2 on an LS-2000 for years. While there may be better ways to do it, I have not had this sort of a problem in the past. The film is two years past its "use by" date and I suspect it is toast. Thanks to everyone who replied. Regards, Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote: > > Before you throw that baby out with the bath water, do yourself a favor and > try scanning it again, What are your methods now? With XP2 I found I needed > to pay attention to noise in the scan an different channel will produce > radically different results. The magenta mask with that film can get quite > high, so you may not be able to see some things unless you carefully inspect > negs. You may want to try a different processor as well. Then again it could > be toast. When did it expire? > > > > Eric Neilsen Photography > > 4101 Commerce Street > > Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > http://e.neilsen.home.att.net > > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > > Skype ejprinter > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter De
> Smidt > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:31 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Film deterioration > > > > > Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@wharton. <mailto:kobrins%40wharton.upenn.edu> > upenn.edu > > <mailto:kobrins%40wharton.upenn.edu>> wrote: > > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > > processing in PS. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Steve > > Old film can show loss of sensitivity and contrast, increased fog and > graininess, and other ills. This is especially true of color films, of > which XP-2 is a subset. I expect that you'd want to get different film. > > -Peter > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2008-01-22 by john dean
You ar not going to belive this but my cousin sent me jpegs done with a Brownie Kodak type camera that was last seen in the 1940's. I don't know where he found these. Somewhere on line. It had a roll of black and white film in it. They developed it. They came to find out the photographs were amazingly shot documents of the bombing of Pearl Harbon on December 7, 1941.The prints from those negs were across the board almost perfect. I've heard of stories like this before but never such an historic event. I'll try to post one of them in the photo section here. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x" <gerardthomas517x@...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" > <kobrins@> wrote: > > > > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > > processing in PS. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Steve > > > Steve...years ago I used to store tri-x in the freezer for months. > when I decided to use it roll by roll I let it thaw out , exposed > it,and develpped it ..ASAP...never had a problem,some of it was 6moths > past it's due date > I never used xp2 though so your results may vary??? > > Mike >
2008-01-22 by David Emerick
These images? I was sent them as well http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/pearlharbor.asp | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | D A V I D E M E R I C K Digital Media Specialist St. Mary's College of Maryland dnemerick@... http://staff.smcm.edu/dnemerick/ http://emerick.blogspot.com http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com You ar not going to belive this but my cousin sent me jpegs done with a Brownie Kodak type camera that was last seen in the 1940's. I don't know where he found these. Somewhere on line. It had a roll of black and white film in it. They developed it. They came to find out the photographs were amazingly shot documents of the bombing of Pearl Harbon on December 7, 1941.The prints from those negs were across the board almost perfect. I've heard of stories like this before but never such an historic event. I'll try to post one of them in the photo section here. John
2008-01-22 by Mark Savoia
Hoax? Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Jan 22, 2008, at 10:24 AM, David Emerick wrote: > These images? I was sent them as well > > http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/pearlharbor.asp > > > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | > > D A V I D E M E R I C K > Digital Media Specialist > St. Mary's College of Maryland > dnemerick@... > http://staff.smcm.edu/dnemerick/ > http://emerick.blogspot.com > http://smcmlibrary.blogspot.com > > > > You ar not going to belive this but my cousin sent me jpegs done with > a Brownie Kodak type camera that was last seen in the 1940's. I don't > know where he found these. Somewhere on line. It had a roll of black > and white film in it. They developed it. They came to find out the > photographs were amazingly shot documents of the bombing of Pearl > Harbon on December 7, 1941.The prints from those negs were across the > board almost perfect. I've heard of stories like this before but never > such an historic event. I'll try to post one of them in the photo > section here. > > John > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-22 by john dean
Same ones. Apparently another internet urban legend. Just goes to show you never trust a photograph or a cousin. They are kind of cool though. john
2008-01-22 by pr_roark
The only deterioration I've heard of relating to film stored in a freezer is fogging of very fast film from background radiation. I assume this shows up as an even fog. (Not a problem with my freezer full of Tech Pan.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...> wrote:
> > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > processing in PS. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve >
2008-01-22 by E Neilsen
I am also thinking of moisture issues with thawing of the film. With mottled results, it gets me thinking moisture getting into the roll. Eric Neilsen Photo 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214 827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com SKype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pr_roark Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:44 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Film deterioration The only deterioration I've heard of relating to film stored in a freezer is fogging of very fast film from background radiation. I assume this shows up as an even fog. (Not a problem with my freezer full of Tech Pan.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...> wrote: > > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > processing in PS. > > Thanks for any help. > > Steve > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-01-22 by terry lindquist
I have KODAK 8" Cirkut Film VERICHROME PAN in the freezer since it was purchased in 1981....still "clean...." ...anyway.... terry On Jan 22, 2008, at 9:43 AM, pr_roark wrote: > The only deterioration I've heard of relating to film stored in a > freezer is fogging of very fast film from background radiation. I > assume this shows up as an even fog. (Not a problem with my freezer > full of Tech Pan.) > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" > <kobrins@...> wrote: > > > > I have stored a supply of XP2 well past it's due date in my freezer. > > Are there any obvious signs of deterioration negatives from outdated > > film? The last two rolls show some "mottling" in the shadows. It is > > not posterization, but rather a coarseness and some lack of detail. > > Midtones and highlights seem fine. Is it time to toss the film? I am > > relatively sure the problem is not a function of scanning or > > processing in PS. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Steve > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]