Digital BW, The Print

>you might visit this site, wonderful >action creating ofdifferent tones
>including variations of the sepia >tones.
>http://www.epaperpress.com/psphoto/index.html

I just recently started using the epaperpress actions and they work great 
for some things (such as sepia and cyanotype). But for others - the filters, 
for example, also "hue" in the b&w conversion - I see no change at all in 
the photograph regardless of the % used. Do you happen to know why that is? 
In some earlier messages about other conversion methods someone mentioned a 
similar  problem and the solution was supposed to be to set the blend mode 
to "color." I tried that with the epaperpress actions and it didn't seem to 
make any difference, I still see no change in the photographs with some of 
them.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Kealey" <pjkealey@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: antique sepia setting



you might visit this site, wonderful action creating ofdifferent tones
including variations of the sepia tones.
http://www.epaperpress.com/psphoto/index.html






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Timmermans"
<zenphoto7@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone here have a "perfect" setting for sepia and/or a darker
> antique sepia using the hue/saturation tool in PS?
>
> I understand "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> I'm just not happy with what I get which is sometimes a little too
> light or orange-ish. I have experimented of course but I'm not
> satisfied with my results. Perhaps someone has here has it nailed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>




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Does anyone here have a "perfect" setting for sepia and/or a darker 
antique sepia using the hue/saturation tool in PS?

I understand "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm just not happy with what I get which is sometimes a little too 
light or orange-ish. I have experimented of course but I'm not 
satisfied with my results. Perhaps someone has here has it nailed.

Thanks,

Tim

you might visit this site, wonderful action creating ofdifferent tones
including variations of the sepia tones.
http://www.epaperpress.com/psphoto/index.html






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Timmermans"
<zenphoto7@...> wrote:

>
> Does anyone here have a "perfect" setting for sepia and/or a darker 
> antique sepia using the hue/saturation tool in PS?
> 
> I understand "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder.
> 
> I'm just not happy with what I get which is sometimes a little too 
> light or orange-ish. I have experimented of course but I'm not 
> satisfied with my results. Perhaps someone has here has it nailed.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim
>

A rule that I use, and I don't recall where I heard it, is to add  
your color into the 1/4 tone.

Convert you image to B&W using whatever means you like, keep it in  
the RGB colorspace, then add a curves adjustment layer, go into the  
blue channel and push the quarter tone up (taking blue away and  
adding yellow) about 3 dots on the grid. Then go into the green  
channel and move it up (adding magenta) about 2 dots. Just do both in  
the 1/4 tone. That would be about the 2x2 block over from the left.

Oh, when you open your curves dialog box, you should see a 10 x 10  
grid not a 4 x 4 grid. If you see a 4 x 4 grid, just option (Mac) or  
alt (Win) click the grid and it should change to the alternate. I can  
make you an Action for what I just described if you like and post it  
on my website.

Mark



On Jan 25, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Brian Ellis wrote:

> >you might visit this site, wonderful >action creating ofdifferent  
> tones
> >including variations of the sepia >tones.
> >http://www.epaperpress.com/psphoto/index.html
>
> I just recently started using the epaperpress actions and they work  
> great
> for some things (such as sepia and cyanotype). But for others - the  
> filters,
> for example, also "hue" in the b&w conversion - I see no change at  
> all in
> the photograph regardless of the % used. Do you happen to know why  
> that is?
> In some earlier messages about other conversion methods someone  
> mentioned a
> similar problem and the solution was supposed to be to set the  
> blend mode
> to "color." I tried that with the epaperpress actions and it didn't  
> seem to
> make any difference, I still see no change in the photographs with  
> some of
> them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Kealey" <pjkealey@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:19 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: antique sepia setting
>
> you might visit this site, wonderful action creating ofdifferent tones
> including variations of the sepia tones.
> http://www.epaperpress.com/psphoto/index.html
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Timmermans"
> <zenphoto7@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone here have a "perfect" setting for sepia and/or a darker
> > antique sepia using the hue/saturation tool in PS?
> >
> > I understand "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder.
> >
> > I'm just not happy with what I get which is sometimes a little too
> > light or orange-ish. I have experimented of course but I'm not
> > satisfied with my results. Perhaps someone has here has it nailed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other  
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> OTHER
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>
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>
>
> 



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Tim, What are you using to print with, on, etc.

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Timmermans
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:43 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] antique sepia setting

 

Does anyone here have a "perfect" setting for sepia and/or a darker 
antique sepia using the hue/saturation tool in PS?

I understand "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm just not happy with what I get which is sometimes a little too 
light or orange-ish. I have experimented of course but I'm not 
satisfied with my results. Perhaps someone has here has it nailed.

Thanks,

Tim

 



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, What are you using to print with, on, etc.
> 


Thanks for the great responses guys. As I write this I haven't yet 
tried any of the suggestions but I'm about to.

To answer your question Eric, I'm back to printing on a standard 1280 
(having tried and returning 1800's and 2200's) using standard epson 
inkset and epson papers including premium gloss and matte papers. I'm 
using CS3 for editing and prepping.

Tim

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, What are you using to print with, on, etc.


Eric,

I'm using CS3 and I'm back to printing with a standard 1280 (after 
trying both the 1800 and 2200)using standard Epson inksets.

I just admire some of these old prints from the 1800's that are a very 
darkish form of sepia that I just can't seem to replicate with my 
current tools.

Tim

Tim, Sepia unlike platinum is a color in the color palette of many
manufactures' color sets. However, just like platinum it seems to have some
"defined" idea by the millions of people that refer to it. There are tones
that come across the visual playground of our eyes that we think of as sepia
and we try and match that ideal. The newer Epson printers with ABW give one
a great deal of control to make that warm reddish orange look that can be
sepia. When you say antique sepia, it could be an orotone, a tone albumen,
or kallitype; toned silver particles that vary in size. The sepia that comes
from silver gelatin papers, with all the forms of developer and paper
combinations can produced marked differences in the sepia look. 

 

For control of that look, or dare I say, any split toned look as sepia is
generally split to some degree I'd recommend a good calibrated profile with
colored inks. I have been using the piezotone sepia set for years from Cone.
While it may not be quiet my sepia look it is a pleasing warm brown color
with a black ink set. But with the newer printers, and good control to make
B&W and color with one set, I find that Color Visions' Advanced B&W method
of extended grays a good solution. I prefer to selenium tone along with my
sepia, either before or after. Time and combination sets in place a blacker
Dmax with selenium first with warm highlights.  

 

Do you have a good calibration for a flat bed scanner and can you make a
scan of one of these antique sepia of which you speak? I find that most
preset sepia looks are no where close to what I like and look for in making
my sepia. What did they use to make there evaluation of sepia? Had any of
these designers ever worked making them? Do they come close to what you'd do
in the darkroom? 

 

You may play with a curve adjustment layer set that will give you a look
your happy with but it needs to be done in a CM environment. I don't have an
small printers currently running Epson inks. My 1160s are set up for other
inks. 

 

Eric

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Timmermans
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:03 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] antique sepia setting

 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" 
<e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, What are you using to print with, on, etc.

Eric,

I'm using CS3 and I'm back to printing with a standard 1280 (after 
trying both the 1800 and 2200)using standard Epson inksets.

I just admire some of these old prints from the 1800's that are a very 
darkish form of sepia that I just can't seem to replicate with my 
current tools.

Tim

 



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