Digital BW, The Print

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Nuff said.

Keith

DeeeMAX !

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:56 AM, povimage wrote:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/ 
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> Nuff said.
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> Keith
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Gene Wolfe, a serious writer of speculative fiction, posited such a 
color years ago, in his series "Book of the New Sun".  He called the 
color "fuligin".  Although I don't have a quote handy, it was blacker 
than black, and absorbed all light. 



Mark Savoia wrote:

> DeeeMAX !
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> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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> On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:56 AM, povimage wrote:
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>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/ 
>> AR2008021902617.html?wpisrc=newsletter
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>> Nuff said.
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>> Keith
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And it's a matte surface, not a glossy one, which by definition has a 
surface that reflects light.

That's one of the falacies of deep glossy dmax.  It's only deep when 
the light is such that it's not reflected back at our eyes.  

By the way, carbon nanotube inks are available now, but just a bit to 
expensive for my budget.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" 
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
 
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> By the way, carbon nanotube inks are available now, but just a bit to 
> expensive for my budget.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
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Is that a DuPont product?

Google "carbon nanotube ink" and you may be surprised at the number 
of hits.  

One thing I did here was contact a few of those using Epson inkjet 
printers to print with these inks (including a Department of Energy 
section) and inform them of Epson's attempts to make use of their 
printers much harder.  I felt that if the DOE took a position 
contrary to the ITC, the DOE would win.  I never got a response from 
them, and the tactic clearly did not work -- yet.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" 
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" 
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> > By the way, carbon nanotube inks are available now, but just a 
bit to 

> > expensive for my budget.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
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> Is that a DuPont product?
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pr_roark wrote:
> And it's a matte surface, not a glossy one, which by definition has a 
> surface that reflects light.
> 
> That's one of the falacies of deep glossy dmax.  It's only deep when 
> the light is such that it's not reflected back at our eyes.  

> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 

Near a black hole gloss and matte become quite relative :-)

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst


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Ernst --  I think you're taking the black hole analogy to an extreme. No one has ever been in or near a black hole.  All we have are theoretical constructs of the behavior of matter in black holes.  My guess is that all known chemical properties of matter would be different in or close to a black hole.  Naturally, as carbon based life-forms, that includes us humans.  
   
  So, you're in a black hole -  glossy, schmossy, who cares what kind of paper you use!!  (My (admittedly silly) 2 cents.)




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Harold Jackson wrote:
> Ernst --  I think you're taking the black hole analogy to an extreme. No one has ever been in or near a black hole.  All we have are theoretical constructs of the behavior of matter in black holes.  My guess is that all known chemical properties of matter would be different in or close to a black hole.  Naturally, as carbon based life-forms, that includes us humans.  
>    
>   So, you're in a black hole -  glossy, schmossy, who cares what kind of paper you use!!  (My (admittedly silly) 2 cents.)


I tried to visualise what it would look like. And it is 
correct what Paul writes about gloss black that its Dmax 
works as long as there's no light reflecting in your eyes 
from that surface. Due to the imperfection of that gloss 
surface and a normal Dmax (there will be diffuse light 
reflected to a degree) you will still have a visual 
impression of a surface you are looking at, even at the best 
angle for Dmax. Like the matte surface that shows its 
texture, how fine it may be, by the random deflection of 
light. I actually expect that you get a strange impression 
with that kind of high light absorptions, more or less a 
disappearance of surface and by that no association with 
gloss or matte. The article mentioned "being at night in a 
dark wood" if I recall it correctly. I do not get that 
picture sketched associated with gloss or matte. A black sky 
with stars isn't gloss or matte either. Imagine a black only 
print with the carbon nanotubes and some contrasty parts in 
the image, I think you will get a 3 dimensional effect with 
the white parts more or less floating in front of the black. 
The same you saw at kinetic - optical art exhibitions but 
without the black velvet box with white cords in front of 
it. This time as flat as a postcard.

Of course all that if it would be possible to print a layer 
like that. It doesn't say anything about layer thickness and 
opacity. If you can not get the white paper blocked by a 10 
micron thick layer of it then it is not practical. Deposing 
the tubes at the right angle on dark matter in labs is nice 
for optical instruments but translates bad to printers.

So despite the smiley I was serious.


-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst


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povimage schreef:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR2008021902617.html?wpisrc=newsletter
> 
> Nuff said.
> 
> Keith

It looks like there are more Universities that make a good black
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7190107.stm

I'm writing this because there will be an exhibition starting Friday 
this week in Brussels-Bruxelles, Belgium where artwork with  the black 
as developed in Houston is on sight. Someone time to take a look there 
and report what kind of experience that is?

Nanopaintings

One is called Hostage, artist Frederik de Wilde, Galerie de Mediaruimte, 
Brussel.

http://www.uitinvlaanderen.be/agenda/e/frederik-de-wilde/9475B950-FE5D-3776-525C62541F93911D

http://www.mediaruimte.be/


-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst


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