Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
when printing with the MIS Eboni-ink on Brilliant Museum Silver gloss 
paper i used to get some broncing and gloss differences. I�ve tried a 
simple hairspray to coat the paper and: bingo gloss difference is 
nearly eliminated! Is it a good idea to practise it in this way or do 
you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the longlivety?

I don't know, it might end up being one of those things that will  
outlast a nuclear blast. My mother has been spraying her hair for  
years and it IS bulletproof.
:)

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:53 AM, frankbickelmeyer wrote:

>  Is it a good idea to practise it in this way or do
> you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the  
> longlivety?



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Ho boy!  From a longevity point of view and from a "probable changes in aging" point of view this is very wrong.  

Hair sprays as a class are "throw away" designs made to achieve some set purpose (no pun intended) at the cheapest production cost.  Therefore they will have poor and unpredictable aging characteristics.  The one thing I can guarrantee is that the resulting film will not remain the same for very long perhaps a matter of weeks, but certainly only months depending upon the keeping or exhibiting environment.  Some decades ago, hairspray were experimented with to "fix" sensitive and friable surfaces such as some types of pastel artworks.  Physically a success but they soon aged badly and were ruined.

If you need a cheap test material to judge pre and post surface fixing along the way to developing a final workflow to save on the more expensive materials I see little wrong but not for good prints if you care about their longevity.

My two cents worth as an art conservator involved with digital media.

Mark MacKenzie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: frankbickelmeyer 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:53 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Hairspray as Glossoptimizer


  Hi,
  when printing with the MIS Eboni-ink on Brilliant Museum Silver gloss 
  paper i used to get some broncing and gloss differences. I´ve tried a 
  simple hairspray to coat the paper and: bingo gloss difference is 
  nearly eliminated! Is it a good idea to practise it in this way or do 
  you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the longlivety?



   
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So the use of original photosprays to fix the surface is recommended? 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark MacKenzie" 
<mjmackenzie22@...> wrote:
>
> Ho boy!  From a longevity point of view and from a "probable 
changes in aging" point of view this is very wrong.  
> 
> Hair sprays as a class are "throw away" designs made to achieve 
some set purpose (no pun intended) at the cheapest production cost.  
Therefore they will have poor and unpredictable aging 
characteristics.  The one thing I can guarrantee is that the 
resulting film will not remain the same for very long perhaps a 
matter of weeks, but certainly only months depending upon the keeping 
or exhibiting environment.  Some decades ago, hairspray were 
experimented with to "fix" sensitive and friable surfaces such as 
some types of pastel artworks.  Physically a success but they soon 
aged badly and were ruined.
> 
> If you need a cheap test material to judge pre and post surface 
fixing along the way to developing a final workflow to save on the 
more expensive materials I see little wrong but not for good prints 
if you care about their longevity.
> 
> My two cents worth as an art conservator involved with digital 
media.
> 
> Mark MacKenzie
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: frankbickelmeyer 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:53 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Hairspray as Glossoptimizer
> 
> 
>   Hi,
>   when printing with the MIS Eboni-ink on Brilliant Museum Silver 
gloss 
>   paper i used to get some broncing and gloss differences. I´ve 
tried a 
>   simple hairspray to coat the paper and: bingo gloss difference is 
>   nearly eliminated! Is it a good idea to practise it in this way 
or do 
>   you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the 
longlivety?
> 
> 
> 
>    
>   . 
> 
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>

I use it to minimize the gloss differential of my blond highlights.  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"frankbickelmeyer" <bickelmeyer@...> wrote:

>
> So the use of original photosprays to fix the surface is recommended? 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark MacKenzie" 
> <mjmackenzie22@> wrote:
> >
> > Ho boy!  From a longevity point of view and from a "probable 
> changes in aging" point of view this is very wrong.  
> > 
> > Hair sprays as a class are "throw away" designs made to achieve 
> some set purpose (no pun intended) at the cheapest production cost.  
> Therefore they will have poor and unpredictable aging 
> characteristics.  The one thing I can guarrantee is that the 
> resulting film will not remain the same for very long perhaps a 
> matter of weeks, but certainly only months depending upon the keeping 
> or exhibiting environment.  Some decades ago, hairspray were 
> experimented with to "fix" sensitive and friable surfaces such as 
> some types of pastel artworks.  Physically a success but they soon 
> aged badly and were ruined.
> > 
> > If you need a cheap test material to judge pre and post surface 
> fixing along the way to developing a final workflow to save on the 
> more expensive materials I see little wrong but not for good prints 
> if you care about their longevity.
> > 
> > My two cents worth as an art conservator involved with digital 
> media.
> > 
> > Mark MacKenzie
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: frankbickelmeyer 
> >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:53 AM
> >   Subject: [Digital BW] Hairspray as Glossoptimizer
> > 
> > 
> >   Hi,
> >   when printing with the MIS Eboni-ink on Brilliant Museum Silver 
> gloss 
> >   paper i used to get some broncing and gloss differences. I´ve 
> tried a 
> >   simple hairspray to coat the paper and: bingo gloss difference is 
> >   nearly eliminated! Is it a good idea to practise it in this way 
> or do 
> >   you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the 
> longlivety?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> >   . 
> > 
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> > 
> >   No virus found in this incoming message.
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> 2/20/2008 10:26 AM
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> >
>

I've used it for several years to equalize bronzing and to fix inks on
reflective paper. It works very well (if you get a brand with good
atomizer; at a couple of bucks a pop, try many) Oldest prints show no
signs of aging. My understanding is that it is mostly pectin, the
product used to add density to that jar of mint jelly sitting in one
of my pantry shelves since the second Eisenhower administration. It
too shows no sign of ageing.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"frankbickelmeyer" <bickelmeyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> when printing with the MIS Eboni-ink on Brilliant Museum Silver gloss 
> paper i used to get some broncing and gloss differences. I´ve tried a 
> simple hairspray to coat the paper and: bingo gloss difference is 
> nearly eliminated! Is it a good idea to practise it in this way or do 
> you you think it has some negative aspects a lessenening the longlivety?
>
MIS Eboni is a matte ink. it's not supposed to be used with glossy paper
Use Photo Black ink.

hairspray is good for killing mosquitos hovering at the ceiling,not on  my 
artwork.



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I wonder what John Waters would say about all this?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:15 PM, arlenelove3@... wrote:

> hairspray is good for killing mosquitos hovering at the ceiling,not  
> on  my
> artwork.
>
>