Digital BW, The Print

While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting 
ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the 
newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it 
would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made 
about the process here-

What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
... etc...

It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the 
results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche 
approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new 
photo papers, etc..
I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business, 
or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size 
prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra 
Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course 
they will all be the same image, of my choice.

So, my question-
-is there interest?

Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time 
would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think 
they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm 
off on my own with this stuff...

Thanks,
Tyler
www.custom-digital.com

Tyler,

I'd be very intereted both in seeing the samples and
purchasing the profiles for QTR for papers that I don't think Cone is not
planning to support like IGFS.

Mike


On 22/02/2008, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
>
>   While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting
> ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the
> newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it
> would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made
> about the process here-
>
> What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> ... etc...
>
> It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the
> results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche
> approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new
> photo papers, etc..
> I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business,
> or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size
> prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra
> Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course
> they will all be the same image, of my choice.
>
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?
>
> Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time
> would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when
> ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's
> important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think
> they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm
> off on my own with this stuff...
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>
> 
>


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Tyler,

Interest here for sure!

Denis Bouchard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
<drmrking@...> wrote:
>
> Tyler,
> 
> I'd be very intereted both in seeing the samples and
> purchasing the profiles for QTR for papers that I don't think Cone
is not
> planning to support like IGFS.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 22/02/2008, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
> >
> >   While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and
attempting
> > ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the
> > newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it
> > would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be
made
> > about the process here-
> >
> > What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> > Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> > Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> > ... etc...
> >
> > It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the
> > results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a
niche
> > approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions,
the new
> > photo papers, etc..
> > I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my
business,
> > or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> > It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter
size
> > prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra
> > Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course
> > they will all be the same image, of my choice.
> >
> > So, my question-
> > -is there interest?
> >
> > Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time
> > would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> > What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when
> > ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's
> > important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think
> > they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not
sure, I'm

> > off on my own with this stuff...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tyler
> > www.custom-digital.com
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tyler, I'd be interested to see them if you are willing to post to the UK.
I've been sitting on the fence about the MPS inks for a while (I've even got
a spare 4000 to put them in) so you might help me make my decision.

David Whistance

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
  Sent: 22 February 2008 06:17
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Interest in seeing K7 gloss? Let me know


  While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting
  ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the
  newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it
  would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made
  about the process here-

  What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
  Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
  Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
  ... etc...

  It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the
  results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche
  approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new
  photo papers, etc..
  I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business,
  or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
  It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size
  prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra
  Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course
  they will all be the same image, of my choice.

  So, my question-
  -is there interest?

  Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time
  would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
  What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when
  ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's
  important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think
  they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm
  off on my own with this stuff...

  Thanks,
  Tyler
  www.custom-digital.com



  


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Sign me up, I'd love to see the results. And given the hours and consumables
you've put into this, that offer is extremely generous.
-- 
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com


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On 22/02/2008 Tyler Boley wrote:
> -is there interest?

Yes please, I'm keen! I'm in Australia, so I would expect to pay extra 
postage.

Peter Marquis-Kyle

I'm interested.

Ed


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:

>
> 
> -is there interest?
>

I would be very intested.

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com



-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:

>
> While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting 
> ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the 
> newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it 
> would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made 
> about the process here-
> 
> What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> ... etc...
> 
> It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the 
> results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche 
> approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new 
> photo papers, etc..
> I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business, 
> or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size 
> prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra 
> Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course 
> they will all be the same image, of my choice.
> 
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?
> 
> Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time 
> would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
> ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
> important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think 
> they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm 
> off on my own with this stuff...
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>

I would also be very interested.

Phil

> 
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?

I think you just did. Of course we all want to see them! I hope you  
are be underwritten by IJM?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:16 AM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my  
> business,



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count me in .. laelia

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:

>
> While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting 
> ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the 
> newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it 
> would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made 
> about the process here-
> 
> What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> ... etc...
> 
> It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the 
> results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche 
> approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new 
> photo papers, etc..
> I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business, 
> or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size 
> prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra 
> Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course 
> they will all be the same image, of my choice.
> 
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?
> 
> Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time 
> would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
> ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
> important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think 
> they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm 
> off on my own with this stuff...
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:

> So, my question-
> -is there interest?

Interest here.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote:
>
>
> 
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?
> 
> Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time 
> would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
> ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
> important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think 
> they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm 
> off on my own with this stuff...
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>


Yes, i have an interest

I am interested, thank you Tyler..

 

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 1:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Interest in seeing K7 gloss? Let me know

 

While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting 
ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the 
newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it 
would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made 
about the process here-

What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
... etc...

It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the 
results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche 
approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new 
photo papers, etc..
I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business, 
or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size 
prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra 
Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course 
they will all be the same image, of my choice.

So, my question-
-is there interest?

Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time 
would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think 
they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm 
off on my own with this stuff...

Thanks,
Tyler
www.custom-digital.com

 



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Tyler,  Add me to your list.

Count me in please.
Olivier

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and 
attempting 
> ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the 
> newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes 
it 
> would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be 
made 
> about the process here-
> 
> What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> ... etc...
> 
> It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing 
the 
> results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a 
niche 
> approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the 
new 
> photo papers, etc..
> I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my 
business, 
> or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter 
size 
> prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova 
Ultra 
> Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of 
course 
> they will all be the same image, of my choice.
> 
> So, my question-
> -is there interest?
> 
> Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of 
time 
> would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when 
> ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's 
> important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I 
think 
> they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, 
I'm 

> off on my own with this stuff...
> 
> Thanks,
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>

OK folks, that's enough for me. I just belatedly realized asking the question requires 
inundating the list with the various replies. Duh!!
Mark, no connection to IJM at all, they know nothing about this. I have no idea if the way 
Jon is working out his profiles and setups will even look anything like what I'm doing. I'm 
certainly not trying to raise interest in theproduct for them, just want opinions for the 
reasons I stated. In fact, they might not even like that I'm doing this...
Mike, I don't use QTR, and would not be making ink setups and profiles for it. I'm not sure 
I could even tell someone else how to go about what I did here. Lots of trial and error with 
StudioPrint and spot channels.
These will be double pass prints by the way...
Enough for now. I'll post in a week or so with a link to order them.

Thanks all, really apreciate it.
Tyler

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King" <drmrking@...> 
wrote:

>
> Tyler,
> 
> I'd be very intereted both in seeing the samples and
> purchasing the profiles for QTR for papers that I don't think Cone is not
> planning to support like IGFS.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 22/02/2008, Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:
> >
> >   While working with this new Selenium K7 inset from Cone and attempting
> > ink and gloss optimizer setups in the RIP to use with a few of the
> > newest photo papers, it occurred to me to post this here, in hopes it
> > would not come off as a solicitation. Several decisions need to be made
> > about the process here-
> >
> > What do demanding B&W print workers think of it?
> > Should I continue to perfect it and offer it as a service locally?
> > Can I afford to devote an entire printer to it?
> > ... etc...
> >
> > It also seems to me people here might be very interested in seeing the
> > results for themselves for many reasons, clearly it seems to be a niche
> > approach at this point, and an intriguing one. Seven dilutions, the new
> > photo papers, etc..
> > I am not interested in having sample prints become part of my business,
> > or try to promote them as a product by which to profit.
> > It looks to me like I can produce and mail a package with 2 letter size
> > prints, one on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk, and the other on Innova Ultra
> > Smooth (same as Epson Exhibition Fiber) for $6.00 a package. Of course
> > they will all be the same image, of my choice.
> >
> > So, my question-
> > -is there interest?
> >
> > Obviously I will have some up front costs, so interest ahead of time
> > would be good to gauge. I don't need commitments, just interest.
> > What do you think? If there is interest I will provide a link when
> > ready, please do not try to request samples on this list, that's
> > important. This has nothing to do with Inkjetmall by the way, I think
> > they are working on their own papers and profiles for it. Not sure, I'm
> > off on my own with this stuff...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tyler
> > www.custom-digital.com
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tyler,  

Yes I'd like to see it.  It is my impression that this is where high-
grade printing is going to end up--on the new papers with something to 
control the surface reflectance.  Right now we are matching ink 
characteristics (gloss) to paper surface and counting on fortuitious 
combinations.  Of all the new papers I've tried (now five) with the K3 
inks I am using in the 4800, the Harman Gloss is the only one that 
provides an acceptable surface and gloss consistency.  So I think this 
is a very important issue.

Thanks, Walt

I'm interested. -david

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Interested here. How do we pay for this great offer?

Don Swanson

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of amadou
diallo
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Interest in seeing K7 gloss? Let me know


Sign me up, I'd love to see the results. And given the hours and consumables
you've put into this, that offer is extremely generous.
--
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com


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Yes,
  Count me in as well.
  Atleast ,let us pay for the cost of paper & postage.
  Thanks 
  Mike
  

"don.swanson" <don.swanson@...> wrote:
          Interested here. How do we pay for this great offer?

Don Swanson

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of amadou
diallo
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Interest in seeing K7 gloss? Let me know

Sign me up, I'd love to see the results. And given the hours and consumables
you've put into this, that offer is extremely generous.
--
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com

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Hey everybody, I got what I needed to know for now.
The only way this will work for this price is with minimal time and
energy here, and a bulk approach, so I won't be giving individual
attention to people. I'll put up a link for you to place orders when
all is ready, probably paypal.
I'll figure out something for overseas too.
Thanks again,
Tyler

What is the image you will use, do we all get an original Tyler  
Boley? :)

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> Hey everybody, I got what I needed to know for now.
> The only way this will work for this price is with minimal time and
> energy here, and a bulk approach, so I won't be giving individual
> attention to people. I'll put up a link for you to place orders when
> all is ready, probably paypal.
> I'll figure out something for overseas too.
> Thanks again,
> Tyler
>
>

nah, I'll just use some client's, they won't mind.

you're killin' me Mark, killin'
T

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
<mark@...> wrote:

>
> What is the image you will use, do we all get an original Tyler  
> Boley? :)
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > Hey everybody, I got what I needed to know for now.
> > The only way this will work for this price is with minimal time and
> > energy here, and a bulk approach, so I won't be giving individual
> > attention to people. I'll put up a link for you to place orders when
> > all is ready, probably paypal.
> > I'll figure out something for overseas too.
> > Thanks again,
> > Tyler
> >
> >
>

I've been thinking about the Epson 2400 because I understand that it
already has the black inks.   However, the R1800 is reduced to $329 @
CompUSA.  Should I jump on the 1800 or is it better to step up to the
2400?  I guess the big question is, do I have to buy a full black ink
set for the 1800 and not have to buy the set for the 2400?  That would
level the field a bit.

Thanks for your feedback.

Hello TFielder,

>I've been thinking about the Epson 2400 because I understand that it
>already has the black inks.   However, the R1800 is reduced to $329 @
>CompUSA.  Should I jump on the 1800 or is it better to step up to the
>2400?  I guess the big question is, do I have to buy a full black ink
>set for the 1800 and not have to buy the set for the 2400?  That
>would level the field a bit.

There is much greater difference than just the inks.  The main
difference, in a nutshell, is that the 2400 can do excellent BW out of
the box, with nothing else needed.  The 1800 cannot do that.  It
requires at least 3rd party RIP software, which means more work and a
steeper learning curve.  

There are other differences.  The 2400 uses K3 inks which have very
good lightfast qualities and work well on the new fiber glossy papers.
 I think I'm correct in saying that most people who use the 1800 for
fine BW work also use 3rd party inks rather than the 1800 inks.  This
means using CIS units or refilling carts.

The 2400 performance is a due to a combination of the K3 inks (with 3
blacks which give great tonal gradation) and it's ABW mode (Advanced
Black and White) software driver, essentially a built in RIP which
uses mostly the the 3 blacks with some colors for toning.  It also has
a tone selector (from blue cold through neutral to warm to sepia) in
the driver that makes it very easy to use.

The 2400 results are exceptionally good, but can be improved upon
(mainly by gaining more control over the color inks).  The 1800 is
used by people who are willing to put in the extra effort in exchange
for some benefit, usually falling in one or more of these categories

- less expensive bulk inks
- eliminating Yellow
- eliminating C and M (only using LC and LM)
- using all-carbon ink sets
- using gloss optimizer (Glop) in one channel
- want to try other inks

(all of these can be done with a 2400 as well, but if you're not going
to use K3 with ABW then these's no reason to pay extra for the 2400)

These benefits come at a cost: you must be willing to:

a) learn to use a RIP and get comfortable with ink profile curves and
other technical stuff in order to master the system and get the
results you want, and

b) put up with the inherent hassles and extra tinkering that goes with
refilling carts or maintaining CIS units.

So it comes down to whether or not you would be satisfied with the
2400 results with it's ease of use.  If you desire to go beyond that,
will what you get be worth the extra work and learning curve?  Some
people love to tinker and enjoy, or at least don't mind, that part of
it.  Others are not so inclined and are exceedingly thankful for the
2400 which has freed them from all that.

Article #9 at the link below outlines a good workflow for the 2400. 
It will give a good idea of what working with a 2400 is like.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "TFielder" 
<tfielder@...> wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about the Epson 2400 because I understand that it
> already has the black inks.   However, the R1800 is reduced to $329 @
> CompUSA.  Should I jump on the 1800 or is it better to step up to the
> 2400?  I guess the big question is, do I have to buy a full black ink
> set for the 1800 and not have to buy the set for the 2400?  That would
> level the field a bit.
> 
> Thanks for your feedback.
>


note that both models have a $100 rebate.
http://www.epson.com/cmc_upload/pdf/SPR1800-R2400-100-EP726-C24714R1.pdf

epson's clearance center also has a good deal on refurbished R1800. i 
ordered one last week at a net price of $280 with free shipping. for 
some reason, the price went back up this week so the compusa sale 
sounds like a great deal.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?
BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=63057344

i plan on using carbon inks on mine. also, the R1800 has a smaller 
droplet size - 1.5 picoliter.

>... I guess the big question is, do I have to buy a full black ink
> set for the 1800 and not have to buy the set for the 2400?  That would
> level the field a bit.
>

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm for my write up of the 
R1800 100% carbon printing workflow.

It's true that for good B&W with the 1800 you need QTR ($50 rip) and 
MIS Eboni.  But from my perspective the advantages of 8 channels and 
1.5 picoliter drops was such that I, in effect, traded my 2400 for an 
1800.

Paul        
www.PaulRoark.com

just wanted to let people know this is still in the works, paper has
been back ordered for a while...

Tyler

finally, we have paper, we have paypal set up, we have prints... we
have cake!
We also have a very slightly higher price, due to some costs I failed
to factor in the first time. But still, it's stupid cheap.
So, I'll put up a post within the next hour with the purchase link.
Please keep in mind, the only way I can afford to do this at this
price is to have the entire process automated. I can't give any
individual attention, or respond to emails direct to me for orders. I
can't take the time to figure individual postage costs for every part
of the planet for each one of these, so it's a flat price that
includes everything. To do international as some requested, I just had
to come up with something based on a distant and exotic locale, and
call that the flat price for all international.
Some emailed me of their interest directly, I may not have all those
emails still, so please see the upcoming post.
For those who expressed initial interest, thanks for your patience.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:

>
> just wanted to let people know this is still in the works, paper has
> been back ordered for a while...
> 
> Tyler
>