Digital BW, The Print

I am forwarding this report from an Indelible Ink user on the 'Ink Options
list', as there have been so many questions about the Indelibles and the desire
to hear from actual users (not people who sell them).

Especially worth noting is the metamerism comment.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC

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erutchick2001 wrote:

>  Hello all-
>
> I have been using the Indelible inkset in an Epson 1200 for the past
> month.
>
> Prior to setting up with the Indelibles, I was a PiezoColor user for
> several months through yellows #1, #2 and #3, however the clogs
> finally did me in.  I have also used the Epson pigments in a 2000P,
> but could not tolerate the metamerism.
>
> I am currently running the Indelibles on Epson Archaival Matte and
> Wells River with a custom profile from ConeTech, and have the
> following observations:
>
> 1)  Color Gamut - good color gamut; I have been able to take files
> originally adjusted for Epson OEM and, with some tweaking, create
> comparable prints with the Indelibles
>
> 2)  Blacks - as with all pigment-based inksets, the black does not
> look like a dye-based black.  However, the Indelibles black produces
> results that are in most cases, perfectly acceptable
>
> 3)  Metamerism - I have checked both neutral-toned and saturated color
> prints and other than a slight warming when prints are viewed under
> incandecent light, I have seen no metamerism
>
> 4)  Clogging - minor broken nozzle checks at start up that are
> typically cleared with a cleaning cycle
>
> So far, so good for the Indelibles...I know that everyone will be
> looking forward to Robert Morrison's head to head comparison results
> as they become available!
>
> Ellen Rutchick
>

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> 
> I am forwarding this report from an Indelible Ink user on the 
> 'Ink Options list', as there have been so many questions 
> about the Indelibles and the desire to hear from actual users 
> (not people who sell them).
> 
> Especially worth noting is the metamerism comment.
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 


Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing.  What head to head is Robert
doing?  Would you let us know the results as well?

Lawrence Smith

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* http://www.lwsphoto.com       *
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> > I am forwarding this report from an Indelible Ink user on the
> > 'Ink Options list', as there have been so many questions
> > about the Indelibles and the desire to hear from actual users
> > (not people who sell them).
> >
> > Especially worth noting is the metamerism comment.
> >
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >
>
>
> Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing.  What head to head is Robert
> doing?  Would you let us know the results as well?
>
> Lawrence Smith
>
> *********************************
>
> * http://www.lwsphoto.com       *
>

Lawrence,
I will try to remember to do that, but below was one of Robert's responses to
the Indelible post.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC

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On 2/6/02 10:56 AM, "erutchick2001" <ellen.rutchick@...>
wrote:

> 2)  Blacks - as with all pigment-based inksets, the black does not
> look like a dye-based black.  However, the Indelibles black produces
> results that are in most cases, perfectly acceptable

I find the indelible black to be poor on Hahnemuhle papers (including Cone's
Wells River).  Its pretty good on EAM.  If you are looking for a fine art
archival paper (EAM is NOT)...try Museo from Crane, Eclipse Satine Softwhite
from photoinkjet.com or Merlin or Condor from Hawk Mountain.  To my eye
(dmax coming soon) they give much better blacks with this ink set.

Robert


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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066



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Antonis and I are comparing MIS Perpetuals, Generation 4 and the Indelible
Ink Set on Epson 1270's running CIS.  Although we are principally interested
in color printing we will be evaluating the ability to print BW and sepia.
We are evaluating compatibility with various fine art papers, fade,
metamerism, gamat, etc.

Details will be posted on our new group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archivalcolor

Personally, I plan to run the winner on a 1270/CIS with ImagePrint.

Robert

  We are On 2/6/02 3:08 PM, "SKID Photography" <skid@...> wrote:

>>> I am forwarding this report from an Indelible Ink user on the
>>> 'Ink Options list', as there have been so many questions
>>> about the Indelibles and the desire to hear from actual users
>>> (not people who sell them).
>>> 
>>> Especially worth noting is the metamerism comment.
>>> 
>>> Harvey Ferdschneider
>>> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Very interesting.  Thanks for sharing.  What head to head is Robert
>> doing?  Would you let us know the results as well?
>> 
>> Lawrence Smith
>> 
>> *********************************
>> 
>> * http://www.lwsphoto.com       *
>> 
> 
> Lawrence,
> I will try to remember to do that, but below was one of Robert's responses to
> the Indelible post.
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 
> *******************post below********************
> 
> On 2/6/02 10:56 AM, "erutchick2001" <ellen.rutchick@...>
> wrote:
> 
>> 2)  Blacks - as with all pigment-based inksets, the black does not
>> look like a dye-based black.  However, the Indelibles black produces
>> results that are in most cases, perfectly acceptable
> 
> I find the indelible black to be poor on Hahnemuhle papers (including Cone's
> Wells River).  Its pretty good on EAM.  If you are looking for a fine art
> archival paper (EAM is NOT)...try Museo from Crane, Eclipse Satine Softwhite
> from photoinkjet.com or Merlin or Condor from Hawk Mountain.  To my eye
> (dmax coming soon) they give much better blacks with this ink set.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> ----------------------
> Robert Morrison
> rmorrison@...
> 
> 310-397-2704
> 
> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
> 
> 
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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066