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Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by steven0356

I have had my 1160 set up with MIS VM-QUAD inks since last Friday, and 
have made several prints. For the most part I think the prints look 
good, but I am not very happy with how the shadows look. They seem to 
have an unreal blotchy look to them.  I know this is not a very good 
description, but it's the best I can do. I thought that maybe I was 
trying to open up the shadows to much in Photoshop, so I went back to 
the original file and worked up the photos, paying close attention not 
to touch the shadows. It did not help much. I printed out a step test, 
which looks just, OK.  The step test does not have the nice smooth 
transition from the darker tones to white There is only a  slight 
change in density between 5% and about 30% and then the density jumps 
up.  It does the same thing again between 35 % and 50%, but between 50% 
and 100% the is a smooth transition.

Any help with this would be appreciated.

Steve

Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by mkravit

Steve,

I am sure Paul Roark will jump in and help you out, but in the 
meantime did you double check all of your setting in the Epson driver 
panel. Also, I know this will sound strange and perhaps obvious, but 
are you printing on the coated side of the paper?  I have been know 
to print on the wrong side at least once. ;-)

On my Epson 1280, the VM inks produce lovely smooth prints with deep 
rich dense shadows that are fully open with detail.

Mike

Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by steven0356

Thanks  Mike,

Yes,  I have double checked my setting to made sure that they match 
Paul Roark's workflow suggestions, but maybe I will check them again. I 
am printing on Epson's Archival Matte.  They make it pretty obvious 
which side to print on.

Steve


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <
michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
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> Steve,
> 
> I am sure Paul Roark will jump in and help you out, but in the 
> meantime did you double check all of your setting in the Epson driver 
> panel. Also, I know this will sound strange and perhaps obvious, but 
> are you printing on the coated side of the paper?  I have been know 
> to print on the wrong side at least once. ;-)
> 
> On my Epson 1280, the VM inks produce lovely smooth prints with deep 
> rich dense shadows that are fully open with detail.
> 
> Mike

Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by frankg_photo

They seem to 
> have an unreal blotchy look to them
> Steve

Steve,
I have sometimes had this result too, and in my case it was due to 
poor scanning where the dark shadow areas were clipped. The result 
was as you describe 
Do check your images at 100% view.
frank

Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by piotrjanowski

steven0356  wrote:
 They seem to 
> have an unreal blotchy look to them. 


Steve, 

I am experiencing exactly the same problem. It happens in the shadow 
areas (80%-up). It looks almost like a solarizing effect.
I posted a message about that  a month ago. Since then I didn't find 
a solution. I checked step by step all my settings according to Pauls 
workflow, I am using a Nikon 4000 scanner and I don't see those 
problems on the monitor when I blow up the picture.(so it is rather 
not a scanning problem). I am absolutely sure that it is something 
that I am doing wrong here, since so many people a very happy with 
the set. 
The problem is I don't know what. I was using the Original MIS set 
before and apart that it was a bit too warm for me I had never 
experienced those things then. I really love the Neutral tone of the 
VM set and I don't want to go back but this shadow problem is making 
my nights sleepless.
I remember that a few months ago someone on this list was describing 
a similar problem but I couldn't find his message on the archives.
Any help or suggestions from the listmembers are appreciated.
Steve let me know when You solve the problem,

Piotr Janowski
Greeting to everybody from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by steven0356

Piotr, 

Solarizing is a good way to describe it. Do you have the same problem 
with your step test with the clumping of the tones in the shadows? That 
must be the problem. If I could  produce a nice even transition from 0% 
to 100% I will bet the shadows will take care of them self's.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "piotrjanowski" <
piotr.janowski@a...> wrote:
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>  steven0356  wrote:
>  They seem to 
> > have an unreal blotchy look to them. 
> 
> 
> Steve, 
> 
> I am experiencing exactly the same problem. It happens in the shadow 
> areas (80%-up). It looks almost like a solarizing effect.
> I posted a message about that  a month ago. Since then I didn't find 
> a solution. I checked step by step all my settings according to Pauls 
> workflow, I am using a Nikon 4000 scanner and I don't see those 
> problems on the monitor when I blow up the picture.(so it is rather 
> not a scanning problem). I am absolutely sure that it is something 
> that I am doing wrong here, since so many people a very happy with 
> the set. 
> The problem is I don't know what. I was using the Original MIS set 
> before and apart that it was a bit too warm for me I had never 
> experienced those things then. I really love the Neutral tone of the 
> VM set and I don't want to go back but this shadow problem is making 
> my nights sleepless.
> I remember that a few months ago someone on this list was describing 
> a similar problem but I couldn't find his message on the archives.
> Any help or suggestions from the listmembers are appreciated.
> Steve let me know when You solve the problem,
> 
> Piotr Janowski
> Greeting to everybody from Warsaw, Poland

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by Todd Flashner

Have you guys gone to the MIS site lately to make sure you have the latest
curves for your printer and operating system, and are you aware that
different printers require different driver settings?

Just checking on the basics first.

Todd
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> Piotr, 
> 
> Solarizing is a good way to describe it. Do you have the same problem
> with your step test with the clumping of the tones in the shadows? That
> must be the problem. If I could  produce a nice even transition from 0%
> to 100% I will bet the shadows will take care of them self's.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "piotrjanowski" <
> piotr.janowski@a...> wrote:
>> steven0356  wrote:
>> They seem to 
>>> have an unreal blotchy look to them.
>> 
>> 
>> Steve, 
>> 
>> I am experiencing exactly the same problem. It happens in the shadow
>> areas (80%-up). It looks almost like a solarizing effect.
>> I posted a message about that  a month ago. Since then I didn't find
>> a solution. I checked step by step all my settings according to Pauls
>> workflow, I am using a Nikon 4000 scanner and I don't see those
>> problems on the monitor when I blow up the picture.(so it is rather
>> not a scanning problem). I am absolutely sure that it is something
>> that I am doing wrong here, since so many people a very happy with
>> the set. 
>> The problem is I don't know what. I was using the Original MIS set
>> before and apart that it was a bit too warm for me I had never
>> experienced those things then. I really love the Neutral tone of the
>> VM set and I don't want to go back but this shadow problem is making
>> my nights sleepless.
>> I remember that a few months ago someone on this list was describing
>> a similar problem but I couldn't find his message on the archives.
>> Any help or suggestions from the listmembers are appreciated.
>> Steve let me know when You solve the problem,
>> 
>> Piotr Janowski
>> Greeting to everybody from Warsaw, Poland

[Digital BW] Re: Help with shadows

2002-02-06 by Paul Roark

Steve & Peotr,

If you can e-mail to me 72 dpi (that is, low resolution) RGB scans of the
test strips (Jpeg level 10), I can see if we have a common problem out
there.  Be sure to mark exactly what printer, computer, and curves you are
using on the test strip.

Paul
_______________________

Piotr,

Solarizing is a good way to describe it. Do you have the same problem
with your step test with the clumping of the tones in the shadows? That
must be the problem. If I could  produce a nice even transition from 0%
to 100% I will bet the shadows will take care of them self's.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "piotrjanowski" <
piotr.janowski@a...> wrote:
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>  steven0356  wrote:
>  They seem to
> > have an unreal blotchy look to them.
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I am experiencing exactly the same problem. It happens in the shadow
> areas (80%-up). It looks almost like a solarizing effect.
> I posted a message about that  a month ago. Since then I didn't find
> a solution. I checked step by step all my settings according to Pauls
> workflow, I am using a Nikon 4000 scanner and I don't see those
> problems on the monitor when I blow up the picture.(so it is rather
> not a scanning problem). I am absolutely sure that it is something
> that I am doing wrong here, since so many people a very happy with
> the set.
> The problem is I don't know what. I was using the Original MIS set
> before and apart that it was a bit too warm for me I had never
> experienced those things then. I really love the Neutral tone of the
> VM set and I don't want to go back but this shadow problem is making
> my nights sleepless.
> I remember that a few months ago someone on this list was describing
> a similar problem but I couldn't find his message on the archives.
> Any help or suggestions from the listmembers are appreciated.
> Steve let me know when You solve the problem,
>
> Piotr Janowski
> Greeting to everybody from Warsaw, Poland

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