Digital BW, The Print

Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing?  If so, what were
the results?

Thanks,
JLS

2008/3/28, jlsjapan <jlsjapan@...>:
>
>   Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing? If so, what were
> the results?
>
> Thanks,
> JLS
>







Very Good with Mis ink
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I spent much of yesterday complaining about my R1800. Meanwhile, my 75
dollar C88 was working like a charm. I'm tempted to pick up a couple
as spares to go along with a CIS.

Walt


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jlsjapan"
<jlsjapan@...> wrote:

>
> Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing?  If so, what were
> the results?
> 
> Thanks,
> JLS
>

I've kept a spare C88 for a while, but my other 2 just keep chugging 
along.  Although they DO now usually fail to start after they have been 
sitting overnight.  As best I can tell, there is something about the 
spring-loaded pad and wiper assembly which, part way through the initial 
to-ing and fro-ing, sticks or catches on the carriage, which then pulls 
the wiper assembly loose from its moorings and leaves it standing on its 
spring.  If I align its tabs and push it back down to its proper seated 
position, and then wipe off the wiper with several Windex-soaked Q-Tips, 
the printers will work fine for hours.  But after they sit overnight I 
have the same failure again.  This is with MIS EZ inks - one printer has 
the MIS CIS and the other uses MIS refillable cartridges (remember 
them?) so I can experiment with PK ink on glossy papers.

I notice that Epson no longer offers the C88 through their clearance 
center.  I should have bought another one last month, when I think they 
were down to $39 delivered.  That's WAY less than the retail price of 
the inks they came with.

Cheers,
Kip

frogeyesfred wrote:
>
>
>
> I spent much of yesterday complaining about my R1800. Meanwhile, my 75
> dollar C88 was working like a charm. I'm tempted to pick up a couple
> as spares to go along with a CIS.
>
> Walt
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "jlsjapan"
> <jlsjapan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing? If so, what were
> > the results?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JLS
> >
>
>  


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I haven't seen these problems with either of my Epson R220s which I
use with refillable cartridges.  Don't know if it's a printer design
issue or that you've used them more than I have (I'm a light printer).

Roger

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Kip Babington
<cbabing3@...> wrote:
>
> I've kept a spare C88 for a while, but my other 2 just keep chugging 
> along.  Although they DO now usually fail to start after they have been 
> sitting overnight.  As best I can tell, there is something about the 
> spring-loaded pad and wiper assembly which, part way through the
initial 
> to-ing and fro-ing, sticks or catches on the carriage, which then pulls 
> the wiper assembly loose from its moorings and leaves it standing on
its 
> spring.  If I align its tabs and push it back down to its proper seated 
> position, and then wipe off the wiper with several Windex-soaked
Q-Tips, 
> the printers will work fine for hours.  But after they sit overnight I 
> have the same failure again.  This is with MIS EZ inks - one printer
has 

> the MIS CIS and the other uses MIS refillable cartridges (remember 
> them?) so I can experiment with PK ink on glossy papers.
> 
> I notice that Epson no longer offers the C88 through their clearance 
> center.  I should have bought another one last month, when I think they 
> were down to $39 delivered.  That's WAY less than the retail price of 
> the inks they came with.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip
> 
> frogeyesfred wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I spent much of yesterday complaining about my R1800. Meanwhile, my 75
> > dollar C88 was working like a charm. I'm tempted to pick up a couple
> > as spares to go along with a CIS.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, "jlsjapan"
> > <jlsjapan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing? If so, what were
> > > the results?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > JLS
> > >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I've done a bunch of black-only prints on my C88+ with the stock Epson inks,
with good results.

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:55 AM, jlsjapan <jlsjapan@...> wrote:

>   Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing? If so, what were
> the results?
>
> Thanks,
> JLS
>
>  
>



-- 
Jordan Wosnick
jwosnick@...


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> Has anyone ever used an Epson C88 for BO printing? 
> If so, what were the results?
 
I've been printing with various combinations in a C88+ today.  For my 
tastes, Black Only that uses only the K position is too rough.

For an EZ approach that uses only Eboni and dilute Eboni, a 13.5% 
Eboni dilution in the color positions works well.  That can either be 
a home brew per http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf or a 
50/50 mix of Eboni-6 M and LC.  (MIS did not seem particularly 
interested in making another dilution itself.)

The C88+ driver with Matte HW paper type selected often will overload 
the paper.  So, fine tuning the dmax per http://www.paulroark.com/BW-
Info/Fine%20Tuning%20the%20Dmax.pdf makes a difference.

Once that is done, the No Color Adjustment ramp is essentially a 
straight line.  A curve with the dmax adjustment can be dropped into 
an ICC for a "color managed" workflow.

This arrangement prints with a maximum Lab B of slightly more than 1 
unit higher than with the partitioned curves that I favor.  But, it's 
very easy.

I have not decided what dilution and partitioning arrangement I like 
best on the C88. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Sorry to jump into this thread late, but I have been away.  I suspect
that the R1800 and 800 are very variable with respect to feeding
problems.  I gave up on my R800 because of the difficulty of feeding
anything thicker than EEM into it.  I had to hand feed it and "catch"
the feed at just the right moment. After a while I could do it, but it
was not worth the trouble.  Others, however, seem to have used both
the 800 and the 1800 without problems.  By the way, this was my second
R800 as Epson replaced the first because of feeding issues.

Steve




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "frogeyesfred"
<waltjjohn@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> 
> I spent much of yesterday complaining about my R1800. Meanwhile, my 75
> dollar C88 was working like a charm. I'm tempted to pick up a couple
> as spares to go along with a CIS.

>

I've been printing with various combinations of Eboni-6 and Carbon-6 
in the C88, and the results don't differ very much, whether the EZ 
approach is used or a combination of light and dark inks is used, 
paritioned or not.  As long as the average dilution is about 13.5%, 
plus or minus a 2%, the combination will print well with no curve, 
but better with a dmax ajusting curve described previously, below.

Right now I have Eboni-6 C, Lm, and Y in the C88+.  I have a 
paritioning curve that uses the most Y and then C, with less Lm 
used.  The dense and very light inks are print just slightly more 
neutrally than the mid-dilutions, but I'm seeing less than Lab B unit 
difference in tones.  Whether the differences in tone and smoothness 
are worth the dealing with depends on personal preferences.  A single 
dilution is obviously easier to refill or make.

For general information on the Eboni-6 and Carbon-6 approaches, see 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf and 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf 

In general, I'm seeing slightly better quality from my hextone 
printers than from the C88+.  But nothing is easier than an easy 
quadtone mix, and it's debatable if most would notice any difference 
among the outputs.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" 
<pr_roark@...> wrote:

...

> For an EZ approach that uses only Eboni and dilute Eboni, a 13.5% 
> Eboni dilution in the color positions works well.  
> That can either be a home brew per 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf 
> or a 50/50 mix of Eboni-6 M and LC.  (MIS did not seem particularly 
> interested in making another dilution itself.)

> The C88+ driver with Matte HW paper type selected often 
> will overload the paper.  So, fine tuning the dmax per
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Fine%20Tuning%20the%20Dmax.pdf
> makes a difference.

> Once that is done, the No Color Adjustment ramp is essentially a 
> straight line.  A curve with the dmax adjustment can be 
> dropped into an ICC for a "color managed" workflow.
...

My write-up of the C88+ "EZ" version of Carbon-6 or Eboni-6 is at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C88-C13-5.pdf 

This should make relatively smooth, 100% carbon printing available to 
anyone who wants it.  The little C88 type printers are good and cheap 
workhorses.  I still have a C82 that is in almost daily use by my wife.

I'm using carts now, but a CIS/CFS is a logical way to go for this.  
Either MIS or the inexpensive SuperJetUSA (eBay) version will probably 
work fine.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Is the purpose of this formula to do single cartridge black printing?

Thanks for the help.

"scopip" <scopip@...> wrote:
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> Is the purpose of this formula to do single cartridge black printing?
>

No, it was to make an "EZ" type of ink that could fill the "color" positions of a C88+, with Eboni MK in the K position.  These types of inks print reasonably well with just the Epson driver, and they are very simple and easy to maintain.  The 13.5% was simply a 1:1 mix of Eboni-6 LK (18%) and LC (9%).  Because MIS did not seem interested in marketing the mix, I made it simple to just pour 2 bottles together.  My just-graduated daughter got through 4 years with such a setup with me must topping off the CIS in the summers.  The mix, like all Eboni diluting inks, should be agitated occasionally if it's in a CIS as opposed to in carts that are agitated all the time while printing.

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C88-C13-5.pdf for my write-up of the inkset.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thank you.  That clarifies quite a bit.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> "scopip" <scopip@> wrote:
> >
> > Is the purpose of this formula to do single cartridge black printing?
> >
> 
> No, it was to make an "EZ" type of ink that could fill the "color" positions of a C88+, with Eboni MK in the K position.  These types of inks print reasonably well with just the Epson driver, and they are very simple and easy to maintain.  The 13.5% was simply a 1:1 mix of Eboni-6 LK (18%) and LC (9%).  Because MIS did not seem interested in marketing the mix, I made it simple to just pour 2 bottles together.  My just-graduated daughter got through 4 years with such a setup with me must topping off the CIS in the summers.  The mix, like all Eboni diluting inks, should be agitated occasionally if it's in a CIS as opposed to in carts that are agitated all the time while printing.
> 
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/C88-C13-5.pdf for my write-up of the inkset.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>