Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Thread

Revised Paper Chase Article

Revised Paper Chase Article

2008-04-02 by Clayton Jones

Hello All,

The revised "Great Paper Chase" article is finally on line.  It is now
divided into 3 sections: the new section for K3 inks, the original
Eboni section, and a separate section for the short OBA and
Alpha-Cellulose articles that used to be at the bottom of the original
page.

The new K3 section is still a work in progress - not all the papers
are finished testing yet, but all the text and organizing is done, so
it's readable.  The missing numbers will be filled as time allows. 
This truly is a "spare time" endeavor.

Thanks for the good feedback and support for this work.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Re: [Digital BW] Revised Paper Chase Article

2008-04-02 by Sam McCandless

Thanks, Clayton, for keeping this very useful resource up to date.
--
Sam
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> The revised "Great Paper Chase" article is finally on line.  [snip]
>
> [snip]... not all the papers are finished testing yet, but all the  
> text and organizing is done, so
> it's readable. [snip]
>
> Thanks for the good feedback and support for this work.
>
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Re:Revised Paper Chase Article

2008-04-03 by arlenelove3@aol.com

Thank you Clayton for your ongoing research and extreme generosity in  
sharing your knowledge. I'm using K3 inks,  Matte Black with HPR and have  been very 
pleased. Life is calmer with the K3 and 7800 than it was with UT7 and  the 
7600. But I can't decide which paper setting is best. Do you  advise Enhanced 
Matte or Velvet Fine Art with the HPR? I tried a sample of  H Fine Art Pearl 285 
gsm with the matte black I was blown away by the  difference. It really 
popped. Next to it, the print on HPR looked faded.The  FAP + K3 matte makes me look 
like a better photographer! I know one is  not supposed to use a luster paper 
with matte black - but why not, if it looks  so good? Again, a million thanks 
for all your help over the years.
               Arlene
_www.arlenelove.com_ (http://www.arlenelove.com) 
_arlenelove3@..._ (mailto:arlenelove3@...) 
 
 
 
 



**************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.    
  (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re:Revised Paper Chase Article

2008-04-04 by Clayton Jones

Hello Arlene,

Thanks for the good feedback.  I'm glad the articles are helpful

>Life is calmer with the K3 and 7800 than it was with UT7 and the 
>7600. But I can't decide which paper setting is best. Do you  
>advise Enhanced Matte or Velvet Fine Art with the HPR? 

Well, in my article I recommend using the VFA setting for all matte
papers because I found it works very well with everything I tried,
including HPR, a paper I also use.  But keep in mind that that is
meant to be a good and easy way to get started, not necessarily the
last word.  Ultimately, people who are interested enough will
experiment with other things and there may well be a better setting. 
And a custom profile for the paper could make a significant
difference, too.   

As for the EM setting, in the beginning I tried that and others with
several papers and VFA came up the winner in every case for my simple
workflow (among other things, because it handled the colors better -
those settings contain color instructions as well as linearization
curves).  In my testing I've found that most of the good papers have
similar contrast curves.  The VFA setting seems to be right in the
middle of the ball park and works great with EEM for proofing.  So for
other papers, slight adjustments on "paper curves" to match the proof
are easy to accomplish.  And of course it's designed for VFA, one of
my most used papers.  So I've stuck with that.  

But that doesn't mean something else might not be better for HPR, so I
guess I'd say to make prints with both and see which you like best. 
Try some low key and high key images, and one with large important
middle gray areas.  Look for color distribution and shadow separation
as well as over all linearization, and don't forget proofing, however
you do that.  Compare across the entire workflow.  It's been over two
years since I did that kind of testing, so I'd be interested to hear
what you find.

Did you see my post about cooler LK/LLK?  Have you noticed any
difference in recently purchased ink?


>I tried a sample of  H Fine Art Pearl 285 gsm with the matte black I 
>was blown away by the  difference. It really popped. Next to it, the 
>print on HPR looked faded.The  FAP + K3 matte makes me look 
>like a better photographer! 

I know what you mean.  I haven't tried that paper but have tried
several others.  I'm torn because I love the better dmax, but don't
like the glare and the gloss differential.  And the prints, in spite
of the dmax, lack some depth and richness of the good matte papers -
something about the matte look I love.  I'm tempted to switch
sometimes, but when I look at the prints side by side I still like the
matte better.  I'm not desirous of having my prints look like silver
prints, it's only the dmax that attracts me.  I love prints without
glare.  These glossy prints are so hard to look at, having to turn
them just so to avoid the glare.  I find them very annoying.  So I'm
sort of bouncing back and forth about it.  Maybe one day some new
paper will blow me away and I'll switch.  Or maybe someone will figure
out how to get 2.0 dmax on matte paper...Yahooo!



>I know one is  not supposed to use a luster paper with matte black - 
>but why not, if it looks so good? 

Is there any problem with the MK rubbing off?


BTW, I have your great UT7 quote about the "weird intravenous hospital
ward" with "tantrums, hysterics and melt-downs" tacked up here right
over my monitor.  I love it and always get a good laugh.  A thousand
thanks for that.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

Re:Revised Paper Chase Article

2008-04-04 by arlenelove3@aol.com

Clayton,
 the MK rubbed off the H Fine Art Pearl the first day. Then it  dried and I 
sprayed it with Printshield and the surface feels tougher than  sprayed HPR. I 
know what you mean about the gloss differential being annoying -  and I too 
have always used matte papers and thought glossy looked kinda chintzy.  But with 
both the HPR and FAP behind plexi on the wall, I'm leaning toward the  FAP. 
It just seems more alive. Oh God, another decision!
               Arlene 



**************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.    
  (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.