Digital BW, The Print

It seems strange that no one ever mentions this printer. It seems to me to be by far the best spec'd 17" printer out there, what with having the two blacks at once.

I'm dreaming, however, of a 17" roll printer that has two blacks AND Glop. Epson must be due for a new line soon????

dreaming away ...
Richard

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Richard, 4800, 4880 are three blacks. With IP you can run two blacks with one being MK and the other being PK along with the LLK. 
I think I'd rather make the GLOP choice after the print emerges from teh printer. 

Eric

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Smallfield 
  To: Digital BW Print 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:59 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Canon iPF5100


  It seems strange that no one ever mentions this printer. It seems to me to be by far the best spec'd 17" printer out there, what with having the two blacks at once.

  I'm dreaming, however, of a 17" roll printer that has two blacks AND Glop. Epson must be due for a new line soon????

  dreaming away ...
  Richard

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  ". . . Nirvana or lasting enlightenment or true spiritual
  growth can be acheived only through persistent
  excercise of real love"
  --M. Scott Peck, M.D, '.The Road Less Travelled'



   

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Yes, I appreciated that there are LK and LLK - I was somewhat ambiguously referring to the PK and MK - sorry for the confusion,

With IP then you would be back to K2 in terms of tonal gradation and metamerism due to one less K? Would that be an accurate assumption?

thanks,
Richard

At 08:11 a.m. Wednesday 23/04/2008, you wrote:
>Richard, 4800, 4880 are three blacks. With IP you can run two blacks with one being MK and the other being PK along with the LLK. 
>I think I'd rather make the GLOP choice after the print emerges from teh printer. 
>
>Eric
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Richard Smallfield 
>To: Digital BW Print 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:59 PM
>Subject: [Digital BW] Canon iPF5100
>
>It seems strange that no one ever mentions this printer. It seems to me to be by far the best spec'd 17" printer out there, what with having the two blacks at once.
>
>I'm dreaming, however, of a 17" roll printer that has two blacks AND Glop. Epson must be due for a new line soon????
>
>dreaming away ...
>Richard
>
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>". . . Nirvana or lasting enlightenment or true spiritual
>growth can be acheived only through persistent
>excercise of real love"
>--M. Scott Peck, M.D, '.The Road Less Travelled'
>
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Just to add to that. I get what you are looking for Richard with two Epson
printers, one with PK for colour and ABW, other with Matte ABW and Glop.
Doing Glop as a second pass to PK ABW. Early days, but looks promising.

Mike


On 22/04/2008, Eric Neilsen Photography <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
>
>   Richard, 4800, 4880 are three blacks. With IP you can run two blacks
> with one being MK and the other being PK along with the LLK.
> I think I'd rather make the GLOP choice after the print emerges from teh
> printer.
>
> Eric
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Smallfield
> To: Digital BW Print
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:59 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Canon iPF5100
>
> It seems strange that no one ever mentions this printer. It seems to me to
> be by far the best spec'd 17" printer out there, what with having the two
> blacks at once.
>
> I'm dreaming, however, of a 17" roll printer that has two blacks AND Glop.
> Epson must be due for a new line soon????
>
> dreaming away ...
> Richard
>
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com
>
> ". . . Nirvana or lasting enlightenment or true spiritual
> growth can be acheived only through persistent
> excercise of real love"
> --M. Scott Peck, M.D, '.The Road Less Travelled'
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Richard,

The Canon's don't use QTR and other 3rd party RIPs for B&W so far,
though Bowhaus is releasing their True B&W RIP for the Canon's.  Also,
3rd party inks are generally not available.  Essentially, this forum
is focused more on Epson printers.  

I bought a Canon iPF6100 about 6 months ago, which I love, both for
color and B&W.  Believe it or not, I am using custom "COLOR" profiles
for fantastic B&W prints that are truly neutral, by eye and as
measured by a spectro.  I also like that I can use standard ICC
profiles for soft proofing, and that I don't have to create both color
profiles and a family of monochrome profiles.  One profile does it all.  

I give up the dedicated B&W inksets with the Canon, at least at this
point in time.  No complaints, however.  If you are interested in the
Canon's, the following link is a great resources.

http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/

Lou



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> It seems strange that no one ever mentions this printer. It seems to
me to be by far the best spec'd 17" printer out there, what with
having the two blacks at once.
> 
> I'm dreaming, however, of a 17" roll printer that has two blacks AND
Glop. Epson must be due for a new line soon????

> 
> dreaming away ...
> Richard
> 
> --
> http://smallfield.vze.com 
> 
>    ". . . Nirvana or lasting enlightenment or true spiritual
>    growth can be acheived only through persistent
>    excercise of real love"
>    --M. Scott Peck, M.D, '.The Road Less Travelled'
>

The lack of one black should have no impact on metamerism failure on its 
own as other factors are in play which have a much greater impact.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Richard Smallfield"
> With IP then you would be back to K2 in terms of tonal gradation and 
> metamerism due to one less K? Would that be an accurate assumption?