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Help for newbie please....

Help for newbie please....

2008-06-28 by rickbehl

Hi all,

Apologies for asking a newbie question but one has to start somewhere...

I'm sure a lot of the information I am looking for is here already
somewhere but it would be great if someone could point the way :-)

Anyhow, here goes. I am shooting mostly film and spend a lot of time
with Ilford and Kodak Tri-X films. From my negatives I am scanning
them myself with a Nikon Coolscan 5000 and then printing from
Photoshop onto an Epson 3800 using the Advanced B&W mode available
from Epson. My monitor is calibrated (using a Gretag Eye-One) but I
have not done any profiling on the printer (pretty expensive from what
I understand).

So far I am reasonably happy with the prints I am getting but they're
not quite as good as I know I can get out of this equipment... I've
seen other examples in Print shops and from friends using the same
printers and they seem to have a little more of that B&W 'X-factor'
that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
(green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...

Anyhows, I'm looking for advice on a workflow or areas I need to look
at in order to get 'Exhibition quality' prints from my equipment...

Any advice is appreciated.

Rgds
Rick

RE: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....

2008-06-28 by Tom Maugham

The first and maybe easiest step is to check in your printer dialogue
box(es) for a way to shut off your color. Maybe a check box for monochrome
or B&W or some such thing. Doing that should get rid of any color casts you
may have. For example, in my Epson 1280 I have a box labeled Ink and two
radio buttons, one for color and one for black.

 

HTH,

Tom 
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....

 

Hi all,

Apologies for asking a newbie question but one has to start somewhere...

I'm sure a lot of the information I am looking for is here already
somewhere but it would be great if someone could point the way :-)

Anyhow, here goes. I am shooting mostly film and spend a lot of time
with Ilford and Kodak Tri-X films. From my negatives I am scanning
them myself with a Nikon Coolscan 5000 and then printing from
Photoshop onto an Epson 3800 using the Advanced B&W mode available
from Epson. My monitor is calibrated (using a Gretag Eye-One) but I
have not done any profiling on the printer (pretty expensive from what
I understand).

So far I am reasonably happy with the prints I am getting but they're
not quite as good as I know I can get out of this equipment... I've
seen other examples in Print shops and from friends using the same
printers and they seem to have a little more of that B&W 'X-factor'
that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
(green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...

Anyhows, I'm looking for advice on a workflow or areas I need to look
at in order to get 'Exhibition quality' prints from my equipment...

Any advice is appreciated.

Rgds
Rick

 



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Re: Help for newbie please....

2008-06-28 by Andre Moreau

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rickbehl" 
> that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
> (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> 

Hello Rick,

Have you tried the ICC's for Epson 3800 ABW at
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/abwprofiles.html 

Maybe there's an ICC in there for an inkjet photo paper that you're using.

HTH,
Andre

Re: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....

2008-06-30 by rickbehl

Thanks Tom.

I think with this particular printer that by choosing the 'Advanced
Black and White' mode in the printing dialogs that should do what you
are saying ?

Rgds
Rick


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Maugham"
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> The first and maybe easiest step is to check in your printer dialogue
> box(es) for a way to shut off your color. Maybe a check box for
monochrome
> or B&W or some such thing. Doing that should get rid of any color
casts you
> may have. For example, in my Epson 1280 I have a box labeled Ink and two
> radio buttons, one for color and one for black.
> 
>  
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Tom 
> 
>  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rickbehl
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> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:51 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Apologies for asking a newbie question but one has to start somewhere...
> 
> I'm sure a lot of the information I am looking for is here already
> somewhere but it would be great if someone could point the way :-)
> 
> Anyhow, here goes. I am shooting mostly film and spend a lot of time
> with Ilford and Kodak Tri-X films. From my negatives I am scanning
> them myself with a Nikon Coolscan 5000 and then printing from
> Photoshop onto an Epson 3800 using the Advanced B&W mode available
> from Epson. My monitor is calibrated (using a Gretag Eye-One) but I
> have not done any profiling on the printer (pretty expensive from what
> I understand).
> 
> So far I am reasonably happy with the prints I am getting but they're
> not quite as good as I know I can get out of this equipment... I've
> seen other examples in Print shops and from friends using the same
> printers and they seem to have a little more of that B&W 'X-factor'
> that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
> (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> 
> Anyhows, I'm looking for advice on a workflow or areas I need to look
> at in order to get 'Exhibition quality' prints from my equipment...
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Rgds
> Rick
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Help for newbie please....

2008-06-30 by rickbehl

Andre,

Thanks for the tip. I did find that website before and it is a great
resource for this printer. To use the ICC profiles am I right in
thinking that you first need to 'install' them and then choose these
profiles in the printing dialog in Photoshop rather than the canned
profiles provided by Epson or the paper manufacturer (eg, Hahnemuehle) ?

Have you found noticeable improvement using these ?

Rgds
Rick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Moreau"
<andre1moreau@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rickbehl" 
> > that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
> > (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> > 
> 
> Hello Rick,
> 
> Have you tried the ICC's for Epson 3800 ABW at
> http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/abwprofiles.html 
> 
> Maybe there's an ICC in there for an inkjet photo paper that you're
using.
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> 
> HTH,
> Andre
>

RE: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....

2008-06-30 by Tom Maugham

I'm not familiar with your particular print but that sounds like it might
work. Give it a shot and if not then explore a bit more.

 

Tom 
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Thanks Tom.

I think with this particular printer that by choosing the 'Advanced
Black and White' mode in the printing dialogs that should do what you
are saying ?

Rgds
Rick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Maugham"
<Thomas@...> wrote:
>
> The first and maybe easiest step is to check in your printer dialogue
> box(es) for a way to shut off your color. Maybe a check box for
monochrome
> or B&W or some such thing. Doing that should get rid of any color
casts you
> may have. For example, in my Epson 1280 I have a box labeled Ink and two
> radio buttons, one for color and one for black.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Tom 
> 
> 
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
rickbehl
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:51 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [Digital BW] Help for newbie please....
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Apologies for asking a newbie question but one has to start somewhere...
> 
> I'm sure a lot of the information I am looking for is here already
> somewhere but it would be great if someone could point the way :-)
> 
> Anyhow, here goes. I am shooting mostly film and spend a lot of time
> with Ilford and Kodak Tri-X films. From my negatives I am scanning
> them myself with a Nikon Coolscan 5000 and then printing from
> Photoshop onto an Epson 3800 using the Advanced B&W mode available
> from Epson. My monitor is calibrated (using a Gretag Eye-One) but I
> have not done any profiling on the printer (pretty expensive from what
> I understand).
> 
> So far I am reasonably happy with the prints I am getting but they're
> not quite as good as I know I can get out of this equipment... I've
> seen other examples in Print shops and from friends using the same
> printers and they seem to have a little more of that B&W 'X-factor'
> that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight cast
> (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> 
> Anyhows, I'm looking for advice on a workflow or areas I need to look
> at in order to get 'Exhibition quality' prints from my equipment...
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Rgds
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



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Re: Help for newbie please....

2008-06-30 by digikdm

Having gone through this process recently with my 3800,
perhaps I can help a little. Yes, that is correct. For B&W, use a 
Chan profile on the first page of the print dialgue box. If he 
doesn't have one for your exact paper, you can experiment. For 
instance, I use his profile for Hahnemuhle photorag pearl for my 
Hahn. Baryta and Fina Art Pearl Papers. It works great ( provided I 
choose "light" in the ABW option area). For the media, which you 
select in the second print dialogue window, use whatever Mr Chan has 
suggested on his website. For the above 2 Hahn. papers, I use the Ep. 
premium luster-media type. I originally found the "profile" 
and "media" options confusing. To some degree you'll have to a waste 
a bit of paper/ink to find the settings that best fit what you see on 
your screen.
Kevin Monroe





 
> Have you found noticeable improvement using these ?
> 
> Rgds
> Rick
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Moreau"
> <andre1moreau@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rickbehl" 
> > > that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight 
cast
> > > (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> > > 
> > 
> > Hello Rick,
> > 
> > Have you tried the ICC's for Epson 3800 ABW at
> > 
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/abwprofiles.html 
> > 
> > Maybe there's an ICC in there for an inkjet photo paper that 
you're
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> using.
> > 
> > HTH,
> > Andre
> >
>

Re: Help for newbie please....

2008-06-30 by Tyler Boley

thought there may be viable ways to use an icc color profile with the
advanced B&W driver options in the Epson driver, they will have no
effect whatsoever on color, since it is a monochromatic driver. The
only options effecting the color ink mix is "color toning", fine
tuning it with the H and V settings shown with the tint wheel. However
it will effect the entire scale, not solving problems you may have in
only the blacks, or shadows as mentioned. A long shot might be a
different media setting.
Otherwise the options are to use the color driver settings, with good
profile with emphasis on good neutrals like the Colorvision profiles,
or QTR, which will give you hue options for shadows, mids, and highs,
separately.
No amount of color correction, via a profile conversion or otherwise,
will address hue problems when printing via a monochromatic driver.
Hope that makes sense.
Tyler

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm"
<monroekd@...> wrote:
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>
> Having gone through this process recently with my 3800,
> perhaps I can help a little. Yes, that is correct. For B&W, use a 
> Chan profile on the first page of the print dialgue box. If he 
> doesn't have one for your exact paper, you can experiment. For 
> instance, I use his profile for Hahnemuhle photorag pearl for my 
> Hahn. Baryta and Fina Art Pearl Papers. It works great ( provided I 
> choose "light" in the ABW option area). For the media, which you 
> select in the second print dialogue window, use whatever Mr Chan has 
> suggested on his website. For the above 2 Hahn. papers, I use the Ep. 
> premium luster-media type. I originally found the "profile" 
> and "media" options confusing. To some degree you'll have to a waste 
> a bit of paper/ink to find the settings that best fit what you see on 
> your screen.
> Kevin Monroe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > Have you found noticeable improvement using these ?
> > 
> > Rgds
> > Rick
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Moreau"
> > <andre1moreau@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rickbehl" 
> > > > that I'm looking for. My prints always seem to have a slight 
> cast
> > > > (green-gray). Not extreme but not perfect...
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello Rick,
> > > 
> > > Have you tried the ICC's for Epson 3800 ABW at
> > > 
> http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/abwprofiles.html 
> > > 
> > > Maybe there's an ICC in there for an inkjet photo paper that 
> you're
> > using.
> > > 
> > > HTH,
> > > Andre
> > >
> >
>

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