Digital BW, The Print

Ok, 

I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself as a job) 
up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to continue to 
the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm Clicking 
to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too me...you have 
to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue out ;-)

Cleavis

Right on!

I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other lists to 
see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've sent 
emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email Antonis and 
try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached you?

The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.

I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned on ad 
blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them they 
seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so 
obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at least 
you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox" <lyonscox@m...> 
wrote:
> Ok, 
> 
> I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself as a 
job) 
> up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to continue 
to 
> the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm 
Clicking 
> to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too me...you 
have 

> to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue out ;-)
> 
> Cleavis

>
>
>I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN.


Me, too.  I noticed my spam level increase substantially following my 
subscription to this and other Yahoo lists.

Peter McLennan

If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences (in Yahoo) to
'plain text' (no HTML) only?

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC

Michael Kravit wrote:

>  Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good looking women....
>
> Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue" stuff is
> really annoying.
>
> Mike
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: tomoc
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
>
>
>   Right on!
>
>   I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other lists to
>   see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've sent
>   emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email Antonis and
>   try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached you?
>
>   The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
>
>   I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned on ad
>   blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them they
>   seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
>   obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at least
>   you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
>
>   Tom O'Connell
>
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox" <lyonscox@m...>
>   wrote:
>   > Ok,
>   >
>   > I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself as a
>   job)
>   > up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to continue
>   to
>   > the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
>   Clicking
>   > to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too me...you
>   have
>   > to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue out ;-)
>   >
>   > Cleavis
>
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Harvy

What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. All I 
have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page 
format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will just have 
toi pay the price my friend. ;-)

Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography 
<skid@b...> wrote:
> If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences 
(in Yahoo) to
> 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 
> Michael Kravit wrote:
> 
> >  Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good 
looking women....
> >
> > Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue" 
stuff is
> > really annoying.
> >
> > Mike
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: tomoc
> >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> >   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
> >   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
> >
> >
> >   Right on!
> >
> >   I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other 
lists to
> >   see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've 
sent
> >   emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email 
Antonis and
> >   try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached 
you?
> >
> >   The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> >
> >   I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned 
on ad
> >   blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them 
they
> >   seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
> >   obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at 
least
> >   you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> >
> >   Tom O'Connell
> >
> >
> >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox" 
<lyonscox@m...>
> >   wrote:
> >   > Ok,
> >   >
> >   > I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself 
as a
> >   job)
> >   > up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to 
continue
> >   to
> >   > the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
> >   Clicking
> >   > to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too 
me...you
> >   have
> >   > to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue 
out ;-)

> >   >
> >   > Cleavis
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mike,
In looking at the Yahoo settings, I thought that the 'Do Not Convert to HTML'
button would prevent the ads from coming in...Apparently that is no so?

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC

mkravit wrote:

>  Harvy
>
> What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. All I
> have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page
> format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will just have
> toi pay the price my friend. ;-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography
> <skid@b...> wrote:
> > If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences
> (in Yahoo) to
> > 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
> >
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >
> > Michael Kravit wrote:
> >
> > >  Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good
> looking women....
> > >
> > > Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue"
> stuff is
> > > really annoying.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: tomoc
> > >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > >   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
> > >   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
> > >
> > >
> > >   Right on!
> > >
> > >   I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other
> lists to
> > >   see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've
> sent
> > >   emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email
> Antonis and
> > >   try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached
> you?
> > >
> > >   The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> > >
> > >   I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned
> on ad
> > >   blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them
> they
> > >   seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
> > >   obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at
> least
> > >   you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> > >
> > >   Tom O'Connell
> > >
> > >
> > >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox"
> <lyonscox@m...>
> > >   wrote:
> > >   > Ok,
> > >   >
> > >   > I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself
> as a
> > >   job)
> > >   > up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to
> continue
> > >   to
> > >   > the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
> > >   Clicking
> > >   > to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too
> me...you
> > >   have
> > >   > to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue
> out ;-)
> > >   >
> > >   > Cleavis





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tom, Cleavis, All,

I agree that the ad level has gotten out of hand. Antonis and I 
certainly have no objection to relocating the group, but lack the 
resources and knowledge to make it happen.

The biggest barrier to moving is how do we take the existing archive 
of several thousand posts with us to a new location?

It would be nice to be on a commercial free server but since this is 
a non-profit enterprise that is not an option.

If anyone knows how to move and take everything but the ads with us 
let me know.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <tomoc@y...> wrote:
> Right on!
> 
> I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other lists 
to 
> see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've sent 
> emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email Antonis 
and 
> try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached you?
> 
> The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> 
> I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned on ad 
> blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them they 
> seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so 
> obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at least 
> you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> 
(snip)

Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good looking women....

Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue" stuff is really annoying.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tomoc 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.


  Right on!

  I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other lists to 
  see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've sent 
  emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email Antonis and 
  try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached you?

  The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.

  I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned on ad 
  blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them they 
  seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so 
  obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at least 
  you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.

  Tom O'Connell


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox" <lyonscox@m...> 
  wrote:
  > Ok, 
  > 
  > I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself as a 
  job) 
  > up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to continue 
  to 
  > the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm 
  Clicking 
  > to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too me...you 
  have 
  > to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue out ;-)
  > 
  > Cleavis


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Hi
How about speaking with Philip Greenspan at www.photonet.com. I have obtained 
the Medium Format Digest for years and have had no problems.
Regards, 
Paul Mapstone

Martin-

Given that set of requirements, I will step up my search for a 
possible hosting situation. It's not realistic to get ad free, but 
most sites are much less intrusive...i.e. standard banners and no 
popups.

I know that some of them also have filters, much easier viewing of 
headers with expanding threads, etc.

I don't know if all the issues can be met...this may wind up the best 
place to stay given volume etc, but I'll be glad to volunteer to head 
up a project and write up a report for the list members and yourself.

If anyone wants to work with me, why not email me offlist and we can 
divide up the work and info we already have, summarize it and post it 
back here in the open.

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mwesley3" <mwesley250@e...> 
wrote:
> Tom, Cleavis, All,
> 
> I agree that the ad level has gotten out of hand. Antonis and I 
> certainly have no objection to relocating the group, but lack the 
> resources and knowledge to make it happen.
> 
> The biggest barrier to moving is how do we take the existing 
archive 
> of several thousand posts with us to a new location?
> 
> It would be nice to be on a commercial free server but since this 
is 
> a non-profit enterprise that is not an option.
> 
> If anyone knows how to move and take everything but the ads with us 
> let me know.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <tomoc@y...> 
wrote:
> > Right on!
> > 
> > I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other 
lists 
> to 
> > see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've 
sent 
> > emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email Antonis 
> and 
> > try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached you?
> > 
> > The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> > 
> > I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned on 
ad 
> > blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them 
they 
> > seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so 
> > obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at 
least 

> > you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> > 
> > Tom O'Connell
> > 
> > 
> (snip)

Look at the Yahoogroup homepage and look up ad free groups. All you 
have to do is pay Yahoo and they will remove all the ads from your group.

Greg

> It would be nice to be on a commercial free server but since this is a
> non-profit enterprise that is not an option.
> 
> If anyone knows how to move and take everything but the ads with us
> let me know.
> 
> Martin

Do you people who are complaining about the ads read the list off the web or
have the emails sent to you?

I have them sent to me in Plain Text and I get no ads, no HTML. Then I set
up a Rule in Outlook Express which files each email from this list into it's
own folder inside my mailbox. I do the same for every list I'm on and it's
quite orderly and sensible.

Todd

> Mike,
> In looking at the Yahoo settings, I thought that the 'Do Not Convert to HTML'
> button would prevent the ads from coming in...Apparently that is no so?
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 
> mkravit wrote:
> 
>> Harvy
>> 
>> What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. All I
>> have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page
>> format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will just have
>> toi pay the price my friend. ;-)
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography
>> <skid@b...> wrote:
>>> If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences
>> (in Yahoo) to
>>> 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
>>> 
>>> Harvey Ferdschneider
>>> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
>>> 
>>> Michael Kravit wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good
>> looking women....
>>>> 
>>>> Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue"
>> stuff is
>>>> really annoying.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: tomoc
>>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
>>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Right on!
>>>> 
>>>> I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other
>> lists to
>>>> see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've
>> sent
>>>> emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email
>> Antonis and
>>>> try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached
>> you?
>>>> 
>>>> The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
>>>> 
>>>> I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned
>> on ad
>>>> blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them
>> they
>>>> seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
>>>> obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at
>> least
>>>> you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom O'Connell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox"
>> <lyonscox@m...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ok,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself
>> as a
>>>> job)
>>>>> up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to
>> continue
>>>> to
>>>>> the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
>>>> Clicking
>>>>> to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too
>> me...you
>>>> have
>>>>> to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue
>> out ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cleavis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I also use a prog called AdSubtract - quite useful sometimes.

Julian

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: Todd Flashner <tflash@...>
Fecha: Sábado, Febrero 9, 2002 3:35 pm
Asunto: Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.

> Do you people who are complaining about the ads read the list off 
> the web or
> have the emails sent to you?
> 
> I have them sent to me in Plain Text and I get no ads, no HTML. 
> Then I set
> up a Rule in Outlook Express which files each email from this list 
> into it's
> own folder inside my mailbox. I do the same for every list I'm on 
> and it's
> quite orderly and sensible.
> 
> Todd
> 
> > Mike,
> > In looking at the Yahoo settings, I thought that the 'Do Not 
> Convert to HTML'
> > button would prevent the ads from coming in...Apparently that is 
> no so?
> > 
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> > 
> > mkravit wrote:
> > 
> >> Harvy
> >> 
> >> What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. 
> All I
> >> have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page
> >> format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will 
> just have
> >> toi pay the price my friend. ;-)
> >> 
> >> Mike
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography
> >> <skid@b...> wrote:
> >>> If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences
> >> (in Yahoo) to
> >>> 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
> >>> 
> >>> Harvey Ferdschneider
> >>> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Kravit wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good
> >> looking women....
> >>>> 
> >>>> Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue"
> >> stuff is
> >>>> really annoying.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: tomoc
> >>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Right on!
> >>>> 
> >>>> I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other
> >> lists to
> >>>> see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've
> >> sent
> >>>> emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email
> >> Antonis and
> >>>> try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached
> >> you?
> >>>> 
> >>>> The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned
> >> on ad
> >>>> blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them
> >> they
> >>>> seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
> >>>> obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at
> >> least
> >>>> you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tom O'Connell
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox"
> >> <lyonscox@m...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Ok,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself
> >> as a
> >>>> job)
> >>>>> up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to
> >> continue
> >>>> to
> >>>>> the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
> >>>> Clicking
> >>>>> to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too
> >> me...you
> >>>> have
> >>>>> to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue
> >> out ;-)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Cleavis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
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And for the times you need to go to the website, a free ad-blocking/privacy
program like Guidescope (http://www.guidescope.com/home/) really makes a
difference.

Peter.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Flashner" <tflash@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.


> Do you people who are complaining about the ads read the list off the web
or
> have the emails sent to you?
>
> I have them sent to me in Plain Text and I get no ads, no HTML. Then I set
> up a Rule in Outlook Express which files each email from this list into
it's
> own folder inside my mailbox. I do the same for every list I'm on and it's
> quite orderly and sensible.
>
> Todd
>
> > Mike,
> > In looking at the Yahoo settings, I thought that the 'Do Not Convert to
HTML'
> > button would prevent the ads from coming in...Apparently that is no so?
> >
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >
> > mkravit wrote:
> >
> >> Harvy
> >>
> >> What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. All I
> >> have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page
> >> format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will just have
> >> toi pay the price my friend. ;-)
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography
> >> <skid@b...> wrote:
> >>> If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your preferences
> >> (in Yahoo) to
> >>> 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
> >>>
> >>> Harvey Ferdschneider
> >>> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >>>
> >>> Michael Kravit wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good
> >> looking women....
> >>>>
> >>>> Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, the "continue"
> >> stuff is
> >>>> really annoying.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: tomoc
> >>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Right on!
> >>>>
> >>>> I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other
> >> lists to
> >>>> see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've
> >> sent
> >>>> emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email
> >> Antonis and
> >>>> try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached
> >> you?
> >>>>
> >>>> The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned
> >> on ad
> >>>> blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them
> >> they
> >>>> seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
> >>>> obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at
> >> least
> >>>> you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom O'Connell
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox"
> >> <lyonscox@m...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Ok,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself
> >> as a
> >>>> job)
> >>>>> up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to
> >> continue
> >>>> to
> >>>>> the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
> >>>> Clicking
> >>>>> to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too
> >> me...you
> >>>> have
> >>>>> to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue
> >> out ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cleavis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
keep
> > them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
"flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> > resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Todd's routine works for me too, although I use Eudora (because it 
was better documented due to Adam Engst's Visual Quick Start guides) 
rather than Outlook Express, which I've also come to think is much 
more of a security liability.

Sam

>Do you people who are complaining about the ads read the list off the web or
>have the emails sent to you?
>
>I have them sent to me in Plain Text and I get no ads, no HTML. Then I set
>up a Rule in Outlook Express which files each email from this list into it's
>own folder inside my mailbox. I do the same for every list I'm on and it's
>quite orderly and sensible.
>
>Todd

Tom,

I would certainly appreciate any help and suggestions on this.

Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tomoc" <tomoc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.


> Martin-
> 
> Given that set of requirements, I will step up my search for a 
> possible hosting situation. It's not realistic to get ad free, but 
> most sites are much less intrusive...i.e. standard banners and no 
> popups.
> 
> I know that some of them also have filters, much easier viewing of 
> headers with expanding threads, etc.
> 
> I don't know if all the issues can be met...this may wind up the best 
> place to stay given volume etc, but I'll be glad to volunteer to head 
> up a project and write up a report for the list members and yourself.
> 
> If anyone wants to work with me, why not email me offlist and we can 
> divide up the work and info we already have, summarize it and post it 
> back here in the open.
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
> 
> 
(snip)

Greg,

Can you give me some directions on how to get there? If this can be done, I
would certainly consider it, if the price is not too steep!

Thanks,
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: <Pics4U@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.


> Look at the Yahoogroup homepage and look up ad free groups. All you
> have to do is pay Yahoo and they will remove all the ads from your group.
>
> Greg
>
> > It would be nice to be on a commercial free server but since this is a
> > non-profit enterprise that is not an option.
> >
> > If anyone knows how to move and take everything but the ads with us
> > let me know.
> >
> > Martin
(snip)

Todd-

I read it all on the web... Gives me the flexibility to thread the 
messages or look by date.

And I'm not complaining about ads...it all has to be funded somehow, 
but about the intrusive click-through ads that interrupt so 
obnoxiously.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner <tflash@e...> 
wrote:
> Do you people who are complaining about the ads read the list off 
the web or
> have the emails sent to you?
> 
> I have them sent to me in Plain Text and I get no ads, no HTML. 
Then I set
> up a Rule in Outlook Express which files each email from this list 
into it's
> own folder inside my mailbox. I do the same for every list I'm on 
and it's
> quite orderly and sensible.
> 
> Todd
> 
> > Mike,
> > In looking at the Yahoo settings, I thought that the 'Do Not 
Convert to HTML'
> > button would prevent the ads from coming in...Apparently that is 
no so?
> > 
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> > 
> > mkravit wrote:
> > 
> >> Harvy
> >> 
> >> What am I missing. Is there an option to change to text only. 
All I
> >> have ever seen is an option for the text format not for the page
> >> format. If you are keeping a secret from us...well you will just 
have
> >> toi pay the price my friend. ;-)
> >> 
> >> Mike
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography
> >> <skid@b...> wrote:
> >>> If the ads are really bothersome, why not change your 
preferences
> >> (in Yahoo) to
> >>> 'plain text' (no HTML) only?
> >>> 
> >>> Harvey Ferdschneider
> >>> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Kravit wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Jee Tom, I just love those little camera ads with the good
> >> looking women....
> >>>> 
> >>>> Seriously, that is why I switched to emails only, 
the "continue"
> >> stuff is
> >>>> really annoying.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: tomoc
> >>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:52 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT - Yahoo Adv.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Right on!
> >>>> 
> >>>> I am definitely an EX-YAHOO FAN. I'm playing around in other
> >> lists to
> >>>> see how they run and I can tell you, Yahoo is the worst. I've
> >> sent
> >>>> emails to a couple of list managers suggesting they email
> >> Antonis and
> >>>> try to lure him away from Yahoo... Antonis, have they reached
> >> you?
> >>>> 
> >>>> The popup + click through is so obnoxious I can't deal with it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've installed Symantec Internet Security software and turned
> >> on ad
> >>>> blocking and also use a popup ad filter. Between the 2 of them
> >> they
> >>>> seem to stop about 75% of the images at least... Yahoo is so
> >>>> obnoxious you still get a blank page to click through, but at
> >> least
> >>>> you miss most of the dumb yahoo ads and the page loads faster.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tom O'Connell
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lyonscox"
> >> <lyonscox@m...>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Ok,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I understand Advertising keeps this stuff (I do some myself
> >> as a
> >>>> job)
> >>>>> up for free but tonight I'm a bit annoyed when I click to
> >> continue
> >>>> to
> >>>>> the message and it gives me a SECOND AD.  Can't tell me I'm
> >>>> Clicking
> >>>>> to get to the message, then Mr. Yahoo, not give it too
> >> me...you
> >>>> have
> >>>>> to change the click-through label :-|D (sticking my tongue
> >> out ;-)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Cleavis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep
> > them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or "flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various
> > resources on the homepage.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > 
> >