Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone use roll paper?  If so, how do you flatten it? Is it worth it?
Thanks.
alan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alankushnir"
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> Does anyone use roll paper?  If so, how do you flatten it? Is it
worth it?
> Thanks.
> alan
>

Alan,

Some people use the D-roller and like it, but it seemed a little
pricey to me.  I just use an old paper tube (for example a 2" or 3"
tube from an old roll of printing or wrapping paper).  I just roll the
print backwards and let it sit for about 30 seconds, then unroll. 
Different papers and weights need less or more time, or a couple of
cycles, but it does help a lot, especially when you get closer to the
core, where the paper is rolled in a smaller diameter.  

Give it a try.  Cheap and easy.

Lou

Yes, dry mount press for about 15 minutes on low

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:06 AM, alankushnir wrote:

> Does anyone use roll paper?  If so, how do you flatten it? Is it  
> worth it?
> Thanks.
> alan
>
>


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Alan,

What Lou says works perfectly for me too.  Also, the papers I've used on a
roll - mainly Gold Fibre Silk and Silver Rag - when printed and then left on
a table (printed side up) for a few days tend to flatten by themselves.
This doesn't seem to work for small sheets but for larger sheets (say longer
than about 20" to 24") where the weight of the paper is sufficient between
the ends of the newly cut sheet then it does.  Of course this method is no
good if you can't spare a few days.

Steve Gledhill

www.virtuallygrey.co.uk <http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> 

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<akushnir@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone use roll paper? If so, how do you flatten it? Is it
worth it?
> Thanks.
> alan
>

Alan,

Some people use the D-roller and like it, but it seemed a little
pricey to me. I just use an old paper tube (for example a 2" or 3"
tube from an old roll of printing or wrapping paper). I just roll the
print backwards and let it sit for about 30 seconds, then unroll. 
Different papers and weights need less or more time, or a couple of
cycles, but it does help a lot, especially when you get closer to the
core, where the paper is rolled in a smaller diameter. 

Give it a try. Cheap and easy.

Lou 



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> Does anyone use roll paper?  If so, how do you flatten it? 
> Is it worth it?

I roll paper only when I have to.  For example, I just ordered a roll 
for a 50" panorama print. 

I prefer sheets not only due to the flatness but also due to less 
wasted paper.  Nozzle checks, changing paper sizes and types, etc. 
eliminate most if not all the cost advantages the rolls may have, at 
least if they are used on my 7500 with its roll paper holder.  I 
might add that with many thick papers my built-in cutter does not 
work.  Manual cutting is another source of wasted paper.  If I 
printed with the same paper all the time and regularly, and the 
cutter worked well that might change my views. 

After I print roll paper on the 7500 I just hang the print for a day 
with a 2" x 1/8" aluminum bar attached to the bottom of the print.  
It'll be flat enough for easy framing in a day.

If I'm cutting a piece out or a roll to use as if it were a pre-cut 
sheet, then I hang it for a while, as above, but I also lightly and 
evenly mist the back of the paper with water.  I keep a Preval 
sprayer filled with distilled water for this purpose.  It allows the 
back of the paper to "relax" and straighten much faster.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I looked at the D-Roller system to, but it seemed to be a lot of money for something I could cobble together from what I had lying around the house.

And so it proved to be: All you need is a roll of brown wrapping paper and the core of a paper  roll. 

Lie the brown paper on a long table and lie the curled paper down on top of it, convex side of curl facing up. 

Roll the brown paper roll around the roller and start rolling it up along the table, around the core. It will then take up the curled inkjet paper .... not touched by a human hand or the roll core or the table, because you are encasing it in the brown paper roll.

Roll it up and secure the brown paper with sticky tape, once it's rolled. Leave it for a minute or two and unroll it. You may have left a curl in the opposite direction if you've left it too long. 

So that's what I'm going to do in future.

But my other method is that I have a large archival cardboard box about 110cm long for storing paper in. I put the 1m panorama lengths of Entrada in there, put some acid-free tissue on top and on top of that, some 13x19" boxes of paper - this gets it flat pretty fast - overnight should do it.

Richard

At 06:06 p.m. Friday 1/08/2008, you wrote:
>Does anyone use roll paper? If so, how do you flatten it? Is it worth it?
>Thanks.
>alan

Richard Smallfield Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com 

   "Ideas won't keep. Something must be done about them."
   --Alfred North Whitehead


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I print on all Photo Black type papers (versus Matte Black fine art 
stuff.)

I have never had a problem with curl, or needed to make an imitation 
d-roller. ;>)

The one paper that does have a fair amount of curl at first is the 
Innova Glossy.  But it flattens itself within one day if left to sit, 
as mentioned above.

I have standardized on 3 papers.  One for proofing - Epson Premium 
Semi-Gloss. One for everyday prints - Epson Premium Luster. And one 
for premium quality prints - Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta.

I only use 24" rolls. I have spindles for all 3, so they are all 
loaded and ready to go.  Quick and easy system that keeps me from 
having to stocks lost of sizes, etc.

The Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta in particular is much cheaper in roll 
than sheet.  

Best,
Michael

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Michael T. Murphy wrote:

> I have standardized on 3 papers.  One for proofing - Epson Premium
> Semi-Gloss. One for everyday prints - Epson Premium Luster. And one
> for premium quality prints - Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta.

What made you decide on the Fine Art Baryta? I have started to try  
these newer papers - Harman FB Al, Innova Gloss 285 and Epson  
Exhibition. So far, of the three, I prefer the Harman.

Jim

Jim,

I like a bit of texture. 

I really like the Harman paper and have 100+ cut sheets left for 
prints. It is a great paper.  (I bought sample sizes of 35+ papers, 
then laid in a stock of 7-8 papers for more extensive testing.)

But I started testing on an Epson 7600. There was more gloss 
differential and brozing on the super smooth gloss of the Harman than 
the Hahnemuhle and Epson Exhibition. I didn't want to have to spray 
*every* print. ;>)

My favorite paper was the Epson. It was the most neutral and I liked 
the texture, GD, and bronzing best.  But it doesn't come in rolls.  
So the Hahnemuhle was my second choice.

I did try the Innova Glossy and I am using the Glossy Warmtone for 
B&W.  Fewer GD and bronzing issues with those inks. I mixed a 5K+GLOP 
ink set from Epson PK.  Plus I will be spraying most of those.

I have upgraded the Epson 7600 to K3 inks.  Much improved gamut, 
great quality output on all 3 papers.

I didn't try the Ilford Gold extensively. I liked the heavier weight 
and more neutral/cooler colors of the Epson Exhibition and 
Hahnemulhle Fine Art Baryta better.  As mentioned, not that much 
difference in cost in rolls between the Hahnemuhle and Ilford to 
justify gong to the Ilford. The lower cost in sheets would have been 
teh biggest selling point for me.

What machine are you printing on? Have you settled on the Harman? I 
had a 7880, Harman would have been great there. Waiting to decide 
between a 9900 and a 9880 later this year.  Using 2x 7600's and a 
9600 in the meantime.

They are all great papers! We are realy lucky right now.

Best,
Michael

On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Michael T. Murphy wrote:

> What machine are you printing on? Have you settled on the Harman? I
> had a 7880, Harman would have been great there. Waiting to decide
> between a 9900 and a 9880 later this year.  Using 2x 7600's and a
> 9600 in the meantime.

I have a 7800 and am thinking of going to a 7900 when they come out  
because I want the better handling of clogging issues, wider gamut  
and I want to be able to print at 16bit (which is only available for  
X880 and newer printers).

Will probably end up settling on the Harman. I'll have the option of  
sheets or rolls which the Epson Exhibition didn't offer. Also, the  
Harman seemed to offer better tonal separation into the shadows.

Jim