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Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

2008-08-06 by arthurkrick

I have an Epson 1290 standing idle which I am considering bringing into use as a dedicated 
B&W printer. I previously used this machine with a CIS set up and the Piezotone Warm Neutral 
inks including Museum black. The machine ran with the original Piezography BW plug-in and 
I was very happy with the results. However, the source for the inks in the UK closed down so 
in time I  shut the system down and cleaned out the 1290. I am not wanting a variable tone 
ability and am excited with what I am reading about Paul's new formulation which MIS have 
on offer as Eboni-6. My question is would the old Piezography plug-in be usable with this 
inkset in printing through my 1290 ?

Re: Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

2008-08-06 by pr_roark

The old PiezoBW software would not work with Eboni-6 as it is 
currently formulated.  However, the workflow for Eboni-6 using ICCs 
made with QTR's Create-ICC program is, in my view, supperior to the 
old Piezo rip in any case.  In addition to the modern workflow 
being "color managed" for essentially automatic monitor relative 
density matching, I believe you'll find it faster and having a better 
dmax.

While the Epson driver by itself will probably produce good results 
with Eboni-6, making an ICC only takes a flatbed scanner (as well as 
the QTR program).  It makes a very nice workflow -- the one I use 
most of the time now. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "arthurkrick" 
<arthur.krick2@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Epson 1290 standing idle which I am considering bringing 
into use as a dedicated 
> B&W printer. I previously used this machine with a CIS set up and 
the Piezotone Warm Neutral 
> inks including Museum black. The machine ran with the original 
Piezography BW plug-in and 
> I was very happy with the results. However, the source for the inks 
in the UK closed down so 
> in time I  shut the system down and cleaned out the 1290. I am not 
wanting a variable tone 
> ability and am excited with what I am reading about Paul's new 
formulation which MIS have 
> on offer as Eboni-6. My question is would the old Piezography plug-
in be usable with this 
> inkset in printing through my 1290 ?
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

2008-08-06 by arthur.krick2@tiscali.co.uk

Hi Paul,
it is good to have such a direct and rapid response to my question and from "The Fountain Head"too !
I have a flatbed (Epson 750) to hand and I will shortly sport US$50 and download myself the QTR RIP. Then I will settle down with a moderate measure of scotch and a wet towel to work my way round mastering the ICC creation process.
thank you again,
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[Digital BW] Re: Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

2008-08-06 by pr_roark

> I have a flatbed (Epson 750) to hand and I will shortly sport US$50 
and download myself the QTR RIP. Then I will settle down with a 
moderate measure of scotch and a wet towel to work my way round 
mastering the ICC creation process.


I've simplified my recommendations for making ICCs with a flatbed 
scanner.  

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Making_B-W_ICCs-GrayCard.pdf 
for my latest thoughts on that subject.

Also note the progression of workflow options for Eboni-6 at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf pages 3-5.

There I start with no ICC (just the Epson driver), then go to a 
simple ICC with no curves, and finally to an ICC that includes an 
embedded curve.  It's possible that the Epson driver with no ICC and 
possibly a slight slider adjustment will make a print that is very 
good.  At any rate, start simple.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni-6 with the old piezography plug-in

2008-08-06 by arthur.krick2@tiscali.co.uk

Paul, Thank you for the Links which I will study closely. "Keep it Simple, Stupid"!  I think that maxim is generally a good one to follow so I'm grateful for anything that moves me in that direction. I have just 'phoned MIS and placed my order for Eboni-6 inks. Thank you once again for your guidance,
Arthur



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Back To Basics

2008-08-07 by Ken Alexander

Hi Everyone,

I feel funny asking this after successfully printing
in black and white for so long, but I'm still trying
to get a firm grasp on what Dmax is.  My (probably
oversimplified) understanding is that it is the
maximum darkness (density?) that a given combination
of paper and ink can achieve.

What I still don't understand is:
- how is it measured?
- what units is Dmax expressed in, or is it a
dimensionless number?

I did try googling Dmax a while back but wasn't really
satisfied with what I found, especially regarding the
two questions above.

Any additional light you can shed would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

Ken

Re: Back To Basics

2008-08-07 by Louis Dina

Ken, comments are below your questions.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ken Alexander
<k.alexander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I feel funny asking this after successfully printing
> in black and white for so long, but I'm still trying
> to get a firm grasp on what Dmax is.  My (probably
> oversimplified) understanding is that it is the
> maximum darkness (density?) that a given combination
> of paper and ink can achieve.

That is correct.  Each printer/paper/ink combination has a maximum
black it can achieve (often called Dmax).  The paper and ink are
obvious contributors, but the printer can also have an impact. 
Different dithering, resolution, number of passes, etc, can affect the
ability to achieve a solid black.  Too much ink, or incorrect
combinations of ink, can result in pooling, fogginess, and reduced Dmax.  

> 
> What I still don't understand is:
> - how is it measured?
> - what units is Dmax expressed in, or is it a
> dimensionless number?

Print Density is usually measured with a densitometer or a
spectrophotometer.  It is often expressed in density units, but also
in L* units(the L* component of Lab, ie, Lightness).  They are two
different ways of expressing the exact same Dmax.  Since Lab space is
often used as the universal translator for printer profiles, and most
spectros read Lab data, it is often used, but both units are widely
used.  

> 
> I did try googling Dmax a while back but wasn't really
> satisfied with what I found, especially regarding the
> two questions above.

A great place to learn more (and see a translation graph that equates
L* and density) visit http://www.BruceLindbloom.com.  Click the
"Calculators" link, and then "Companding Calculators".  If you click
density as the input and L* as the output (or vice versa) you will see
a graph that converts from one to the other.  You can also input
specific values to convert back and forth.  A density of 2.2, for
example, is equivalent to L* = 5.6994.  The calculator also lets you
see density expressed in Y units, or your choice of two different
gammas.  Pretty flexible.  

Bruce also has a lot of articles, formulas and other information on
his site related to color, density, color management, etc.  It gets a
bit geeky fast, but it is loaded with tons of good information.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Back To Basics

2008-08-07 by Ken Alexander

Thank you Lou.  

This is excellent!  I'll go have a look at Bruce's
website this evening.

My next "Back to Basics" question was going to be
about Lab, but maybe I'll find my answers there.

Thanks again,

Ken


--- Louis Dina <lou@...> wrote:

> Ken, comments are below your questions.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Ken Alexander
> <k.alexander@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 
> > I feel funny asking this after successfully
> printing
> > in black and white for so long, but I'm still
> trying
> > to get a firm grasp on what Dmax is.  My (probably
> > oversimplified) understanding is that it is the
> > maximum darkness (density?) that a given
> combination
> > of paper and ink can achieve.
> 
> That is correct.  Each printer/paper/ink combination
> has a maximum
> black it can achieve (often called Dmax).  The paper
> and ink are
> obvious contributors, but the printer can also have
> an impact. 
> Different dithering, resolution, number of passes,
> etc, can affect the
> ability to achieve a solid black.  Too much ink, or
> incorrect
> combinations of ink, can result in pooling,
> fogginess, and reduced Dmax.  
> 
> > 
> > What I still don't understand is:
> > - how is it measured?
> > - what units is Dmax expressed in, or is it a
> > dimensionless number?
> 
> Print Density is usually measured with a
> densitometer or a
> spectrophotometer.  It is often expressed in density
> units, but also
> in L* units(the L* component of Lab, ie, Lightness).
>  They are two
> different ways of expressing the exact same Dmax. 
> Since Lab space is
> often used as the universal translator for printer
> profiles, and most
> spectros read Lab data, it is often used, but both
> units are widely
> used.  
> 
> > 
> > I did try googling Dmax a while back but wasn't
> really
> > satisfied with what I found, especially regarding
> the
> > two questions above.
> 
> A great place to learn more (and see a translation
> graph that equates
> L* and density) visit http://www.BruceLindbloom.com.
>  Click the
> "Calculators" link, and then "Companding
> Calculators".  If you click
> density as the input and L* as the output (or vice
> versa) you will see
> a graph that converts from one to the other.  You
> can also input
> specific values to convert back and forth.  A
> density of 2.2, for
> example, is equivalent to L* = 5.6994.  The
> calculator also lets you
> see density expressed in Y units, or your choice of
> two different
> gammas.  Pretty flexible.  
> 
> Bruce also has a lot of articles, formulas and other
> information on
> his site related to color, density, color
> management, etc.  It gets a
> bit geeky fast, but it is loaded with tons of good
> information.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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