Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone have any suggestions for printing to Somerset Enhanced
Velvet using Epson OEM inks on a 1280. I'm trying to match the color of
Piezo prints for the work of a friend and having no luck\ufffdall the usual
problems with color crossovers and the like. I am trying to avoid
actually buying Piezo software and inks to do this (only going to use it
for a small number of prints) because I'd rather wait for Piezo2 or
ImagePrint to be available for my printer. I've also tried using the
warm curves for MIS VM on this paper and had little luck\ufffdso I'd also be
interested in hearing from anyone who has successfully used that
ink/paper combination.

Thanks
Peter Lindman

Hi Peter,

Apologies in advance... as this is one of those posts that does not answer
your question, but raises a subject you may already be aware of. That is:

Don't print on Somerset Velvet Enhanced with _dye_ inks if you want your
image to last. It prints very nicely, but print lifetime is reputedly in the
months. It does print VERY nicely with pigment(ed) inks. [The manufacturer
only recommends pigment inks, so this is not an attack on them!]

So... what ARE you trying to achieve, and with what level of accuracy?

Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Lindman [mailto:plindman@...]
> Sent: 10 February 2002 18:18
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Printing to Somerset Enhance Velvet
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for printing to Somerset Enhanced
> Velvet using Epson OEM inks on a 1280. I'm trying to match the color of
> Piezo prints for the work of a friend and having no luckall the usual
> problems with color crossovers and the like. I am trying to avoid
> actually buying Piezo software and inks to do this (only going to use it
> for a small number of prints) because I'd rather wait for Piezo2 or
> ImagePrint to be available for my printer. I've also tried using the
> warm curves for MIS VM on this paper and had little luckso I'd also be
> interested in hearing from anyone who has successfully used that
> ink/paper combination.
>
> Thanks
> Peter Lindman

Nij,

What about inks which have dye and pigment. It is my understanding to
which pigmented inks are composed this way. Would the dye from a
pigmented ink fade leaving behind the pigment? What would this do? Do
you know how much dye there is in relation to pigment in a pigmented
ink? Does the color shift when this happens?

-Della


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Apologies in advance... as this is one of those posts that does not
answer
> your question, but raises a subject you may already be aware of.
That is:
> 
> Don't print on Somerset Velvet Enhanced with _dye_ inks if you want
your
> image to last. It prints very nicely, but print lifetime is
reputedly in the
> months. It does print VERY nicely with pigment(ed) inks. [The
manufacturer
> only recommends pigment inks, so this is not an attack on them!]
> 
> So... what ARE you trying to achieve, and with what level of
accuracy?
> 
> Nij

Hi Della,

You don't ask easy questions do you!

In my own terminology there are two or more types of pigmented inks - those
where dyes are bonded on to a pigment particle, and those where the pigments
are suspended in a fluid that has a dye in it. I suspect that Generations
Enhanced inks come under the former category, apart from the black, which
also has a 'dye' component which I suspect is fluid, and so comes under the
latter category. I believe Piezo BW inks may also have the 'fluid' dye
component.

Printing with Piezo BW, the prints turn very warm (on SVEnhanced). This
suggests to me that the dye element moves through the paper coating and into
the paper, and the carbon pigment does not. Thus leaving the 'brown' carbon
pigment visible. I suspect something similar would happen for any ink where
the dye is fluid.

That's what I currently believe anyway!

Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dellaellingson [mailto:dellaellingson@...]
> Sent: 13 February 2002 01:30
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Printing to Somerset Enhance Velvet
>
>
> Nij,
>
> What about inks which have dye and pigment. It is my understanding to
> which pigmented inks are composed this way. Would the dye from a
> pigmented ink fade leaving behind the pigment? What would this do? Do
> you know how much dye there is in relation to pigment in a pigmented
> ink? Does the color shift when this happens?
>
> -Della

Nij,

I have only a small amount of knowledge in chemistry. I understand to
bonding a dye molecule to a pigment molecule would alter the
characteristics of either principal. I have read that this is what
EPSON does and I do not believe it. I read somewhere on the Internet
also that EPSON claimed they "encapsulated" a pigment particle with
dye and I did not believe this either. Because dye is soluble it
would remove itself when mixed with a fluid. I am not a chemist so I
do not know first hand how these mixtures are made. But aren't the
claims intimidating? Yes I think so as to what average person will
question molecules.

:)  If it doesn't fade I am happy. 
:) :) If it doesn't shift color I am happy happy. 
:) :) :) If it doesn't fade or shift color I am happy happy happy!
:) :) :) :o If it doesn't fade or shift color or clog I am happiest!

-Della


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Hi Della,
> 
> You don't ask easy questions do you!
> 
> In my own terminology there are two or more types of pigmented inks
- those
> where dyes are bonded on to a pigment particle, and those where the
pigments
> are suspended in a fluid that has a dye in it. I suspect that
Generations
> Enhanced inks come under the former category, apart from the black,
which
> also has a 'dye' component which I suspect is fluid, and so comes
under the
> latter category. I believe Piezo BW inks may also have the 'fluid'
dye
> component.
> 
> Printing with Piezo BW, the prints turn very warm (on SVEnhanced).
This
> suggests to me that the dye element moves through the paper coating
and into
> the paper, and the carbon pigment does not. Thus leaving the
'brown' carbon
> pigment visible. I suspect something similar would happen for any
ink where
> the dye is fluid.
> 
> That's what I currently believe anyway!
> 
> Nij
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dellaellingson [mailto:dellaellingson@y...]
> > Sent: 13 February 2002 01:30
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Printing to Somerset Enhance Velvet
> >
> >
> > Nij,
> >
> > What about inks which have dye and pigment. It is my
understanding to
> > which pigmented inks are composed this way. Would the dye from a
> > pigmented ink fade leaving behind the pigment? What would this
do? Do
> > you know how much dye there is in relation to pigment in a
pigmented

> > ink? Does the color shift when this happens?
> >
> > -Della