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1400 & what to get?

1400 & what to get?

2008-11-06 by Matthew Newhook

I've been doing darkroom black & white for a while, and want to give inkjet black and white a 
try and compare the results. I've been reading this group with great interest, and have 
decided that the 1400 is cheap, and from what I read here gives good results... 

I'm interested in either the UT14 or Eboni-6 ink sets. I'm leaning towards UT14, since I can 
print both glossy and matte. I have no interest in color. I also don't really want to run a CIS 
initially, since I'm not sure how much I'll be printing.

However, I'm confused exactly what to buy. Looking http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm they don't seem to list any cartridges? 
Also, do I need some cleaners or something?

Also I'm curious about how many prints (say 13x19) can I expect also from one inkset 
(assuming I use cartridges, and not CIS)? Actually in the darkroom I tend to print 10x10, so 
I'm also interested in getting some roll paper, since that might be more cost effective.

Thanks in advance for any responses!

Re: [Digital BW] 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by Bill Parsons

Matthew, why are you not considering InkJetMall's offering of K6 inks 
and a CIS?

Bill Parsons

Matthew Newhook wrote:
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> I've been doing darkroom black & white for a while, and want to give 
> inkjet black and white a
> try and compare the results. I've been reading this group with great 
> interest, and have
> decided that the 1400 is cheap, and from what I read here gives good 
> results...
>
> I'm interested in either the UT14 or Eboni-6 ink sets. I'm leaning 
> towards UT14, since I can
> print both glossy and matte. I have no interest in color. I also don't 
> really want to run a CIS
> initially, since I'm not sure how much I'll be printing.
>
> However, I'm confused exactly what to buy. Looking 
> http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm 
> <http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm> they don't seem to 
> list any cartridges?
> Also, do I need some cleaners or something?
>
> Also I'm curious about how many prints (say 13x19) can I expect also 
> from one inkset
> (assuming I use cartridges, and not CIS)? Actually in the darkroom I 
> tend to print 10x10, so
> I'm also interested in getting some roll paper, since that might be 
> more cost effective.
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses!
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by Gary Weaver

Why would he ? He states "initially". I think he needs to see if he likes the printer FIRST :  )

gar

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On 11/6/2008 at 8:26 PM Bill Parsons wrote:

>Matthew, why are you not considering InkJetMall's offering of K6 inks 
>and a CIS?
>
>Bill Parsons
>
>Matthew Newhook wrote:
>
.................... I also don't 
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>> really want to run a CIS
>> initially, since I'm not sure how much I'll be printing.
>>

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by pr_roark

"Matthew Newhook" <mjnewhook@...> wrote:
>
...
> I'm interested in either the UT14 or Eboni-6 ink sets. 
> I'm leaning towards UT14, since I can 
> print both glossy and matte. ...
> I also don't really want to run a CIS 
> initially, since I'm not sure how much I'll be printing.
> 
> However, I'm confused exactly what to buy. Looking 
> http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm 
> they don't seem to list any cartridges? 

At http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm
there is, first, a table with the bulk inks, and, second, a table 
with the UT14 cartridges listed.

> Also, do I need some cleaners or something?

I doubt it, although having a set of cleaning carts is useful even 
aside from helping to get rid of the residual color if you've used 
the printer with the OEM inks.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by Matthew Newhook

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
> ... 
> At http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm
> there is, first, a table with the bulk inks, and, second, a table 
> with the UT14 cartridges listed.

Actually, what I *really* meant was the eboni-6 page on the same site :) http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm
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> ... 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by frankbickelmeyer

I also think of buying an epson 1400. Beside the BO option i really
would like to print with tones varying from sepia to cool. Did i
understand Pauls article right, that the UT14 inkset can exactly do
that: printing BO and if needed with all 6 cartriges in different
tones? And if it cannot which would be the best inkset to achieve
these 2 options? UT 3D?
Sorry but my english is not so good, that i am unsure if i understood
Pauls article in the right way!

Greetings from germany,
Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
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>
> "Matthew Newhook" <mjnewhook@> wrote:
> >
> ...
> > I'm interested in either the UT14 or Eboni-6 ink sets. 
> > I'm leaning towards UT14, since I can 
> > print both glossy and matte. ...
> > I also don't really want to run a CIS 
> > initially, since I'm not sure how much I'll be printing.
> > 
> > However, I'm confused exactly what to buy. Looking 
> > http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm 
> > they don't seem to list any cartridges? 
> 
> At http://www.inksupply.com/ut14_black_and_white.cfm
> there is, first, a table with the bulk inks, and, second, a table 
> with the UT14 cartridges listed.
> 
> > Also, do I need some cleaners or something?
> 
> I doubt it, although having a set of cleaning carts is useful even 
> aside from helping to get rid of the residual color if you've used 
> the printer with the OEM inks.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by pr_roark

"frankbickelmeyer" <bickelmeyer@...> wrote:

> I also think of buying an epson 1400. Beside the BO option i really
> would like to print with tones varying from sepia to cool. Did i
> understand Pauls article right, that the UT14 inkset can exactly do
> that: printing BO and if needed with all 6 cartriges in different
> tones?

The 1400 MIS UT14 inkset -- written up at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-
Info/UT14.pdf -- is a variable tone B&W inkset that, in its default 
setup, uses Gloss Optimizer ("Glop") in the yellow position.  The 
curves and ICCs I've made assume this default ink arrangement.

Glop is useful in glossy prints, but the 1400 with MIS pigments has a 
low level of reflective artifacts even without glop.  As such, the 
yellow ink position can be used for a custom ink setup for those who 
want to go beyond the UT14 default setup.  

With the default Y=Glop setup, the print tones range from neutral 
("cool" in traditional B&W terms) to warm.  See the curves on pages 6 
(matte paper) and 8 (glossy paper) of the PDF, above, to see what 
this range is -- in graphical form.  The warm values shown are less 
that what I call a true sepia.  They are a warm carbon (and very 
lightfast).  

Putting UT2 or UT7 sepia in the yellow position is the most obvious 
custom ink setup.  I did not do this as the default ink arrangement 
for several reasons.  First, glop is useful for the very best glossy 
prints.  Second, the print tones are better in the "plug and play" 
Epson driver workflows if no sepia ink is in the mix. And, third, 
true sepia tones, with Lab B often closer to 25, require a lot or 
color ink.  These true sepia tones are about twice as warm as the 
warm carbon can achieve.  However, the UT2/7 sepia images are not 
particularly lightfast.  They are mostly color images and do not 
achieve the lightfastness levels that I'm currently comfortable 
with.  In short, I no longer want my images or name associated with 
that level of performance.  I have a UT7 sepia image in my living 
room, and it looks nice (even if slightly faded).  But I would not 
sell such an image professionally.  

So, I recommend people see if the warm carbon tone is sufficient for 
them before installing sepia ink.  If sepia ink is installed, 
different curves/profiles will be needed.  

> And if it cannot which would be the best inkset to achieve
> these 2 options? 

I think you'd find the UT14 inkset can achieve most of what you'd 
want, but not a true sepia.

While the UT7 inkset -- either just the UT7 Y-position ink in a 1400 
or the full UT7 inkset in a k2 printer -- can reach true sepia, I 
doubt this is the "best" way to do it if you want the best 
lightfastness.  While the MIS sepia will look fine for years in 
normal display, as I indicated above, it's not up to the standards I 
now try to achieve for my B&W prints.

I have not run fade tests of enough sepia options to know which is 
most lightfast, but in my view the Epson Y and M inks are the best of 
those types of color inks.  As such, the best true sepia with an 
inkjet might use an Epson K3 printer.

I have not used Piezo sepia, but my impression is that it's not a 
true sepia tone, being more similar to the warm carbon in the UT14.

I, personally, find that the warm carbon of UT14 on glossy paper 
makes a sufficiently warm print, and I know it'll be extremelly 
lightfast.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by pr_roark

"Matthew Newhook" <mjnewhook@...> wrote:
...
> Actually, what I *really* meant was the eboni-6 page on 
> the same site :) http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm

MIS has been slow to put pre-loaded Eboni-6 carts on its web page.  
I'll contact them to see how pre-filled Eboni-6 carts can be ordered.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by Ken

Hello,

 

I recently ordered the Eboni6 carts here are the part numbers for the carts.
I agree their WEB site could be a little more user friendly, if I remember I
had to order each cartridge separately. 

 

Good luck,

 

Ken

 

Order Number: 97661   |   Date: 10/29/2008 @ 10:31 AM 


Qty:

Part Number:

Product Description:

Price:

Total:


1

EB6-T0791-K

Epson 1400 compatible T0791 Black position cartridge with Auto Reset chip
and EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

EB6-T0792-C

Epson 1400 compatible T0792 Cyan position cartridge with Auto Reset chip and
EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

EB6-T0793-M

Epson 1400 compatible T0793 Magenta position cartridge with Auto Reset chip
and EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

EB6-T0794-Y

Epson 1400 compatible T0794 Yellow position cartridge with Auto Reset chip
and EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

EB6-T0795-LC

Epson 1400 compatible T0795 Light Cyan position cartridge with Auto Reset
chip and EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

EB6-T0796-LM

Epson 1400 compatible T0796 Light Magenta position cartridge with Auto Reset
chip and EB6 ink

$16.95

$16.95


1

SHIPPING

FDX-GNDH

 

$0.00


Grand Total

$101.70

 

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 1400 & what to get?

 

"Matthew Newhook" <mjnewhook@...> wrote:
...
> Actually, what I *really* meant was the eboni-6 page on 
> the same site :) http://www.inksuppl <http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm>
y.com/eb6.cfm

MIS has been slow to put pre-loaded Eboni-6 carts on its web page. 
I'll contact them to see how pre-filled Eboni-6 carts can be ordered.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

 



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Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by frankbickelmeyer

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:

> So, I recommend people see if the warm carbon tone is sufficient for 
> them before installing sepia ink.  
> 
> I think you'd find the UT14 inkset can achieve most of what you'd 
> want, but not a true sepia.

> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Thank you Paul for this helpful information. I will follow your advice
and try the UT 14. Maybe the carbon look will be satisfying for my needs.

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by ebenostby

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
> "Matthew Newhook" <mjnewhook@> wrote:
> ...
> > Actually, what I *really* meant was the eboni-6 page on 
> > the same site :) http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm
> 
> MIS has been slow to put pre-loaded Eboni-6 carts on its web page.  
> I'll contact them to see how pre-filled Eboni-6 carts can be ordered.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
As it happens, I just received a set of pre-loaded Eboni-6 1400 carts.
For reasons known to MIS's web folks, there are no obvious links to
the product, but I managed to find it via google search as:
EB6-1400-SET. It arrived as a set of pre-filled spongeless cartridges
with the various shades of Eboni. It costs US $95.45

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-07 by pr_roark

"ebenostby" <efo@...> wrote:

> As it happens, I just received a set of pre-loaded Eboni-6 1400 carts.
> For reasons known to MIS's web folks, there are no obvious links to
> the product, but I managed to find it via google search as:
> EB6-1400-SET. It arrived as a set of pre-filled spongeless cartridges
> with the various shades of Eboni. It costs US $95.45

Here is the full URL: 
http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm/pn/EB6-1400-SET 

Thanks for finding that.  I've notified MIS it's now on my Eboni-6 
PDF.  One wonders how many other "hidden" URLs they have.  Strange.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-13 by Matthew Newhook

Great info! Thanks! Any input on the number of 13x19 prints I can expect from a cart set 
(UT14 or Eboni)? How difficult are the carts to refill, BTW?

Regards, Matthew

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kdhoard@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I recently ordered the Eboni6 carts here are the part numbers for the carts.
> I agree their WEB site could be a little more user friendly, if I remember I
> had to order each cartridge separately. 
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck,
> 
>  
> 
> Ken

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-13 by santacruztacean

I'm currently using a 7600 UC w/ QTR - 50/50 mix of coolsepia/sepia.
Before I invest in an Epson 1400 as a dedicated b/w printer, I would
like to see how the EB6 and UT14 inksets compare, at their warmest
settings. Can anyone post links to print samples? Also, has anyone had
clogging issues w/ EB6 or UT14?

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-15 by pr_roark

"santacruztacean" <fotosensei@...> wrote:
>
> ... Before I invest in an Epson 1400 as a dedicated b/w 
> printer, I would like to see how the EB6 and UT14 inksets 
> compare, at their warmest settings. 
> Can anyone post links to print samples?

The Lab B measures indicate the differences.  
See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HPR-UT14-EB6.jpg

As you can see from the graphs, UT14 has, at its warmest, warmer 
highlights and cooler shadows.  In short, it's more of a split tone.

The general sense of warmth, however, is more affected by the light 
midtones.  So, the UT14 is potentially warmer than Eboni-6.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: 1400 & what to get?

2008-11-15 by santacruztacean

Paul

Thanks for your response - I'd already seen the charts and graphs. Can
you point me to sample photos comparing them? As they say, "a
picture's worth a thousand charts and graphs".

Phil



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<pr_roark@...> wrote:
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>
> "santacruztacean" <fotosensei@> wrote:
> >
> > ... Before I invest in an Epson 1400 as a dedicated b/w 
> > printer, I would like to see how the EB6 and UT14 inksets 
> > compare, at their warmest settings. 
> > Can anyone post links to print samples?
> 
> The Lab B measures indicate the differences.  
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/HPR-UT14-EB6.jpg
> 
> As you can see from the graphs, UT14 has, at its warmest, warmer 
> highlights and cooler shadows.  In short, it's more of a split tone.
> 
> The general sense of warmth, however, is more affected by the light 
> midtones.  So, the UT14 is potentially warmer than Eboni-6.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

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