Digital BW, The Print

Hi everyone,

Long time lurker, first time poster. <G> Sorry, this isn't totally on-topic 
but I hope someone can give me some good advice. I've recently moved 
countries, and I had to leave my darkroom behind. Instead I've set up a 
digital equivalent. LS4000/Epson 1290/Quads etc. I've been shooting 35mm as 
thats all I could really bring with me, but now I want to get back into 4x5. 
So to cut a long story short and now I've sourced a JOBO, I'm wondering 
whether or not I should just get an enlarger, or a flatbed scanner for the 
4x5 stuff. Having never scanned 4x5 I don't know how it will work out on a 
flatbed or if it will really suffer using a flatbed - ? I can spend a pretty 
good whack on decent product, just nowhere in the range of a 4x5 
slidescanner unfortunately. Any suggestions? Should I not consider scanning 
at all if I have to go to a flatbed?

Cheers,
Neil

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Hi Neil,

Welcome!

While I would love to have a Polaroid 45U, Imacon or drum scanner, the
finances just aren't there. I have just finished printing for the recent
13x19 and 11x17 print exchanges. For both I scanned 4x5 B&W negatives on a
Linoscan 1400 at 1200 dpi. I am completely satisfied with the finished
prints and feel that they are every bit as sharp as my enlargements from
these negatives.

If I had to buy now I would go for the Epson 1680 Pro which is much less
than a good enlarger and lens. I would also consider a 5x7 or 8x10 over 4x5
to maximize image file size. There have been some good articles on using
flatbeds with oil mounting to get the most out of the film.

Do some searches on the list and you will find additional info.

Martin Wesley


----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Cotty" <neildelphi@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 479


> Hi everyone,
>
> Long time lurker, first time poster. <G> Sorry, this isn't totally
on-topic
> but I hope someone can give me some good advice. I've recently moved
> countries, and I had to leave my darkroom behind. Instead I've set up a
> digital equivalent. LS4000/Epson 1290/Quads etc. I've been shooting 35mm
as
> thats all I could really bring with me, but now I want to get back into
4x5.
> So to cut a long story short and now I've sourced a JOBO, I'm wondering
> whether or not I should just get an enlarger, or a flatbed scanner for the
> 4x5 stuff. Having never scanned 4x5 I don't know how it will work out on a
> flatbed or if it will really suffer using a flatbed - ? I can spend a
pretty
> good whack on decent product, just nowhere in the range of a 4x5
> slidescanner unfortunately. Any suggestions? Should I not consider
scanning
> at all if I have to go to a flatbed?
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
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Martin / Neil,

What about the Epson 2450? It's a little bit more than the 1680, but I think
it can do up to 5*4"???

I'm waiting on one now... cost about ?250gbp!

I think it's had some reasonable reviews... and dare I say it... at that
price it's 'throwaway'.

One day, very soon, these things will have to be recycled.

Nij

Nigel Rheam
MWORDS Limited   www.mwords.co.uk   Digital Fine Art

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
> Sent: 14 February 2002 02:17
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 479
>
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> Welcome!
>
> While I would love to have a Polaroid 45U, Imacon or drum scanner, the
> finances just aren't there. I have just finished printing for the recent
> 13x19 and 11x17 print exchanges. For both I scanned 4x5 B&W negatives on a
> Linoscan 1400 at 1200 dpi. I am completely satisfied with the finished
> prints and feel that they are every bit as sharp as my enlargements from
> these negatives.
>
> If I had to buy now I would go for the Epson 1680 Pro which is much less
> than a good enlarger and lens. I would also consider a 5x7 or
> 8x10 over 4x5
> to maximize image file size. There have been some good articles on using
> flatbeds with oil mounting to get the most out of the film.
>
> Do some searches on the list and you will find additional info.
>
> Martin Wesley

Neil,
I've had pretty good luck scanning 4x5s with an Epson 1680 Pro. I've
tried a variety of ways to do this including oil mounting (to messy) and
have wound up using a piece of anti-newton ring glass to hold the negs
flat on the bed. I had access to an Imacon 848 for a week and found it
to be far superior in sharpness to my Epson. That said, if one is
careful, very nice inkjet prints can be made with a flatbed scan.
There's just less wiggle room\ufffdread up on all the different sharpening techniques.
One piece of advice: I'd buy the scanner locally if possible (so you can
exchange it easily if need be) and give it a thorough work out as soon
as you get it. They seem as idiosyncratic as camera lenses in terms of
focus, etc.
Peter Lindman

Neil Cotty wrote:

> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Long time lurker, first time poster. <G> Sorry, this isn't totally
> on-topic
> but I hope someone can give me some good advice. I've recently moved
> countries, and I had to leave my darkroom behind. Instead I've set up
> a
> digital equivalent. LS4000/Epson 1290/Quads etc. I've been shooting
> 35mm as
> thats all I could really bring with me, but now I want to get back
> into 4x5.
> So to cut a long story short and now I've sourced a JOBO, I'm
> wondering
> whether or not I should just get an enlarger, or a flatbed scanner for
> the
> 4x5 stuff. Having never scanned 4x5 I don't know how it will work out
> on a
> flatbed or if it will really suffer using a flatbed - ? I can spend a
> pretty
> good whack on decent product, just nowhere in the range of a 4x5
> slidescanner unfortunately. Any suggestions? Should I not consider
> scanning
> at all if I have to go to a flatbed?
> 
> Cheers,
> Neil
> 
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In a message dated 2/13/02 9:46:10 PM, plindman@... writes:

<< have wound up using a piece of anti-newton ring glass to hold the negs

flat on the bed. I had access to an Imacon 848 for a week and found it

to be far superior in sharpness to my Epson. That said, if one is

careful, very nice inkjet prints can be made with a flatbed scan.

There's just less wiggle room…read up on all the different sharpening 
techniques.

One piece of advice: I'd buy the scanner locally if possible (so you can

exchange it easily if need be) and give it a thorough work out as soon

as you get it. They seem as idiosyncratic as camera lenses in terms of

focus, etc.

Peter Lindman >>

Hi Ppeter:

I'm curious where you found the anti-netwon ring glass.

Thanks a lot,

Andy Darlow

Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
Andrew Darlow Images International, www.andydarlow.com
Author: Inkjet Tip of the Month Club (newsletter) 
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---YOU CAN BUY anti neuton ring glass from condit manufacturing. the 
same folks who make pin registration neg carriers and punches. i'm 
sorry i don't have the address anymore but you may be able to find 
them on the web. larry 

In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shashinka@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/13/02 9:46:10 PM, plindman@q... writes:
> 
> << have wound up using a piece of anti-newton ring glass to hold 
the negs
> 
> flat on the bed. I had access to an Imacon 848 for a week and found 
it
> 
> to be far superior in sharpness to my Epson. That said, if one is
> 
> careful, very nice inkjet prints can be made with a flatbed scan.
> 
> There's just less wiggle room…read up on all the different 
sharpening 
> techniques.
> 
> One piece of advice: I'd buy the scanner locally if possible (so 
you can
> 
> exchange it easily if need be) and give it a thorough work out as 
soon
> 
> as you get it. They seem as idiosyncratic as camera lenses in terms 
of

> 
> focus, etc.
> 
> Peter Lindman >>
> 
> Hi Ppeter:
> 
> I'm curious where you found the anti-netwon ring glass.
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Andy Darlow
> 
> Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
> Andrew Darlow Images International, www.andydarlow.com
> Author: Inkjet Tip of the Month Club (newsletter) 
> To subscribe, send e-mail to: Inkjettips-subscribe@y...

Andy,
Try Mike at http://www.fpointinc.com/ 
Very responsive\ufffdhe'll cut the glass any size you want. I bought a piece
large enough to allow scanning a roll of 35mm negs for a digital contact
sheet. I use just one piece, laying the film emulsion-side down and
placing the AN glass on top.
Peter

> Hi Peter:
> 
> I'm curious where you found the anti-netwon ring glass.
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Andy Darlow
> 
> Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
> Andrew Darlow Images International, www.andydarlow.com
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If you want to be daring, I've used this stuff for anti-newton glass with
excellent results. It's very similar to AN glass, in fact it might be the
same as some, but it's much cheaper:

<http://www.imageperfectglass.com/products.html>

Some of your local custom frame shops might even carry it, that's how I got
mine.

Todd



> Andy,
> Try Mike at http://www.fpointinc.com/
> Very responsive
he'll cut the glass any size you want. I bought a piece

> large enough to allow scanning a roll of 35mm negs for a digital contact
> sheet. I use just one piece, laying the film emulsion-side down and
> placing the AN glass on top.
> Peter
> 
> 
>> Hi Peter:
>> 
>> I'm curious where you found the anti-netwon ring glass.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot,
>> 
>> Andy Darlow

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "riskdr8138" 
<L.PIRRONE@A...> wrote:
> ---YOU CAN BUY anti neuton ring glass from condit manufacturing. 

Condit manufacturing went out of business about a year or so ago. 
Closed up and no longer around. I used to use their punches and 
registration system for enlarged negatives.

Mike

---thats too bad. they were nice folks to deal with. when i actually 
printed in the darkroom i had (and still have)a complete pin 
registration negative carrier, punch and contact printing frame. you 
can't imagine (or maybe you can) the girations i used to go to to get 
the perfect print. lith masks, frisquets, contrast increasing masks 
and contrast reduction masks. whew! it was nuts. computers just made 
it all obsolete. larry

 DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...c, "mkravit" <michael.kravit@w...> 
wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "riskdr8138" 
> <L.PIRRONE@A...> wrote:
> > ---YOU CAN BUY anti neuton ring glass from condit manufacturing. 
> 
> Condit manufacturing went out of business about a year or so ago. 
> Closed up and no longer around. I used to use their punches and 
> registration system for enlarged negatives.
> 
> Mike