Digital BW, The Print

Hi, I'm Sorry for my question but here (Central America) we are a cuople centuries back in tecnologies and information about digital printing. we are using a wet process to do a 2x2" identification photo with a white or gray background and the people usualy dress black clothes. we are losing time and benefits of digital cameras.
what I plan to do is, get a epson r280 and Inkpress fine art matte paper to emulate a darkroom photo.
have to make a 100 photos a month and December goes to 500

Questions:
1. Is this paper textured like old wet paper
2. can use another no expensive paper
3. have to buy a continuos flow to printer (plan to do BO printing)
4. if I use a MIS Inks carbon cold tone have to use a six inks. or can use a ebonni black only.

I already make some test with canon ip1800 (regular ink) and epson matte finish inkjet paper, that looks good, but is not what I need. Can make any decision because can see results. first have to buy in US over internet, expend money for things I dont kown gone to work. have already over 2 months seek for info and cant find the information to make a decision. 

please, please, help me

"lic.pesquera" <levi_photo@...> wrote:

> ... Central America ... 2x2" identification photo with 
> a white or gray background and the people usualy dress 
> black clothes...

>  plan to ... get a epson r280 and Inkpress fine art matte 
> paper to emulate a darkroom photo.

Will the ID photo be laminated?  Otherwise the matte paper won't look much like a wet process photo.

> 1. Is this paper textured like old wet paper

I've never used it.  For ID photos I'd think you'd want a smooth paper.  

> 2. can use another no expensive paper

If Red River ships outside the U.S., you might check their offerings also.  www.redriverpaper.com 

> 3. have to buy a continuos flow to printer (plan to do BO printing)

> 4. if I use a MIS Inks carbon cold tone have to use a six inks. 
> or can use a eboni black only.

The least expensive is Eboni black only, but there is a slight graininess to the image, and you'll need QTR to print black only on a 280.  

The next least expensive approach is to make your own dilute Eboni inkset.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf 

By the way, the easiest printer to keep running is probably a C88+ with the Carbon-6 mix (see the URL above).  It uses only Eboni MK and one dilution for the other 3 spots.  So, you can have a CIS with only 2 bottles.  My daughter who is away at college used this setup all year with no need to refill (and, most importantly, no need to call Dad for help).  She's a total novice when it comes to printers, and she had no problems the setup.  It can make beautiful, somewhat warm-toned B&W prints.

I hope this helps.  Let us know if you have other questions.  That's what this forum is for.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> Will the ID photo be laminated?  Otherwise the matte paper won't look much like a wet process photo.
> no, is for a diploma and usualy framed, only have to put a
 stamp on it

> > 1. Is this paper textured like old wet paper
> 
> I've never used it.  For ID photos I'd think you'd want a smooth paper.  
>
for example we are using Fomabrom n115 normal silk grain, and some Forte papers

> > 2. can use another no expensive paper
> 
> If Red River ships outside the U.S., you might check their offerings also.  www.redriverpaper.com 
> 
> Aurora™ Art Natural from Red River looks good the price is about $4 more por 50 sheet from inkpress. 
Do you kown a store in miami are were a can buy paper have some friends living there.


thanks


Sandra

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <pr_roark@...> wrote:
>
> "lic.pesquera" <levi_photo@> wrote:
> 
    fist of all thanks for your time and help

>  3. have to buy a continuos flow to printer (plan to do BO printing)
> 
>  4. if I use a MIS Inks carbon cold tone have to use a six inks. 
>  or can use a eboni black only.
> 
> The least expensive is Eboni black only, but there is a slight graininess to the image, and you'll need QTR to print black only on a 280.  
> 
> The next least expensive approach is to make your own dilute Eboni inkset.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf 

>  I read the manual, the problem is the same, can find wetting agent, kodak photo-flo even dont kown wath is.


what a think can do is: use a epson r280, mis-6 ink  eboni baclk continuos flow system, and qtrgui ver 2.6.2.0, with a red river paper (polar matte). dont kown if can with this or any paper can feel the granule texture of paper.

hope work, if not I going cry for help again.

thanks a lot

sandra

"lic.pesquera" <levi_photo@...> wrote:
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> what a think can do is: use a epson r280, mis-6 ink  eboni baclk 

I'm not sure what inkset you mean by "mis-6."  Maybe "Eboni-6"?

MIS sells a few different B&W inksets that should work in the 280.  

What they would probably recommend is this one:
http://www.inksupply.com/r260_blackandwhite.cfm

MIS also sells the Eboni-6 inkset in bottles.  See 
http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm   MIS might be reluctant to sell this to you unless they think you understand that it is warm by nature and the inks need to be agitated (mixed) more than most inksets.  I use this inkset because it is 100% carbon and more neutral than the standard 100% carbon solutions that are as smooth.  

You can print either of the above approaches with the Epson driver or QTR.  

You can also use QTR to use only the 100% Eboni matte black ink.  If you use QTR to print with only one ink (like K or Black position cartridge) there is a greater risk of banding than if more inks are used.  

You can also print with the 280 and use more than one position filled with 100% concentrated Eboni.  The 1800 3-MK process noted at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm 
can be be run on a 280 also.  This makes printing very cheap in terms of the ink used.  You can even put water or a simple clear base in some of the 280 positions if you're not using them.  

These 100% Eboni solutions are not as smooth as the approaches that use dilute inks, but they are more neutral in tone than the dilute Eboni-6 approach.

> continuos flow system, and qtrgui ver 2.6.2.0, with a 
> red river paper (polar matte).

These all work well.

> dont kown if can with this or any paper can feel the 
> granule texture of paper.

This paper is smooth.  The papers with more texture are often called "water color" papers.  With smooth papers you don't feel or see much texture at all.  With the "water color" papers you can both see and feel a texture to them.

I hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

You might have them try Pitman Photo in Miami--they also are on the i net--they have been servicing professional photogs for decades--  good luck-- Pat

Do you kown a store in miami are were a can buy paper have some friends living there.


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