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EPSON R1800

2010-01-28 by William

Hello All
I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to produce
stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At the
moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to produce
work without a colour cast.
Many Thanks
Willumm




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Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-28 by pr_roark

"William" <big_willum53@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group.

>...I would like to ask the group how to produce
> stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800...

This was my shot at it: http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm

Good luck with the B&W.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-29 by willummthecelt

Thank  you for the link Paul I will read and read again tover the
weekend
Again many thanks
Wi

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark"
<roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
> "William" big_willum53@ wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> >...I would like to ask the group how to produce
> > stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800...
>
> This was my shot at it: http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm
>
> Good luck with the B&W.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>



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Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-30 by ben

Willumm,

That is the first time I have spelled that name that way.  Nice meeting you.

I have been make some very exciting B&W prints on the R1800 using QuadTone RIP and the 3k printing process.  These are some of the best B&W prints I have ever made in my forty years of making photographs.

I have been a large format shooter from nearly the start, and I have been making improved prints, over my darkroom prints, on the R1800.  I scan the mostly 4x5 negatives on an ICG drum scanner in RGB then print them on the R1800 using mostly black inks.  The only time color inks are used is when I want to tone a print, or print on glossy paper.

I made a post on this list just a week ago or so about my process.  I am sure you can find it in the archives.  I print from neutral to sepia to cool prints with just the move of sliders in the RIP program.  I have printed on matte papers using MIS Ebony inks, and on glossy papers using the Epson inks.  Changing from to the other is easy, but will cost you a bit of ink.

What is nice about printing on matte papers is that the printer will still be able to print color, as well as great B&W.  I have been using different brands of paper, depending on the reason for the print, and the final look that I want.  Different papers make big differences in the outcome.

The detail I am pulling out of my old negatives, mostly Ilford FP-4 film, is truly amazing.  Very long, smooth tonal ranges, filled with detail I never saw from a print made through some of Schneider's best enlarging lenses.  They are much better then the DSLR images I am shooting now.  If I didn't have such a bad back, I would still be shooting the 4x5.  I can't carry the weight of the equipment very long before I can't walk the next day.  Bad L-4 disc!

If you can't find my post in the archives, let me know and I will find it and send you a copy.

I think the R1800 is one of the best photo printers ever made.  It is sad that Epson has dropped it.  I have been wanting to try a R1400 with Carbon 6.  If the economy keeps improving I will get the set up.  The on limitation I don't like in both printers is the 13x19 print size limit.

Ben

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William" <big_willum53@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello All
> I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to produce
> stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At the
> moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
> trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to produce
> work without a colour cast.
> Many Thanks
> Willumm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-30 by willummthecelt

Thank you Ben for your reply to my post I have not looked for your
documeny yet, as the grandshilldren are running Amok .
I call myself Willumm as my far better half, calls me everything other
than William so Willumm the Celt it is.
Thanks again for your information
Willumm



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ben"
<benjschneider2@...> wrote:
>
> Willumm,
>
> That is the first time I have spelled that name that way.  Nice
meeting you.
>
> I have been make some very exciting B&W prints on the R1800 using
QuadTone RIP and the 3k printing process.  These are some of the best
B&W prints I have ever made in my forty years of making photographs.
>
> I have been a large format shooter from nearly the start, and I have
been making improved prints, over my darkroom prints, on the R1800.  I
scan the mostly 4x5 negatives on an ICG drum scanner in RGB then print
them on the R1800 using mostly black inks.  The only time color inks are
used is when I want to tone a print, or print on glossy paper.
>
> I made a post on this list just a week ago or so about my process.  I
am sure you can find it in the archives.  I print from neutral to sepia
to cool prints with just the move of sliders in the RIP program.  I have
printed on matte papers using MIS Ebony inks, and on glossy papers using
the Epson inks.  Changing from to the other is easy, but will cost you a
bit of ink.
>
> What is nice about printing on matte papers is that the printer will
still be able to print color, as well as great B&W.  I have been using
different brands of paper, depending on the reason for the print, and
the final look that I want.  Different papers make big differences in
the outcome.
>
> The detail I am pulling out of my old negatives, mostly Ilford FP-4
film, is truly amazing.  Very long, smooth tonal ranges, filled with
detail I never saw from a print made through some of Schneider's best
enlarging lenses.  They are much better then the DSLR images I am
shooting now.  If I didn't have such a bad back, I would still be
shooting the 4x5.  I can't carry the weight of the equipment very long
before I can't walk the next day.  Bad L-4 disc!
>
> If you can't find my post in the archives, let me know and I will find
it and send you a copy.
>
> I think the R1800 is one of the best photo printers ever made.  It is
sad that Epson has dropped it.  I have been wanting to try a R1400 with
Carbon 6.  If the economy keeps improving I will get the set up.  The on
limitation I don't like in both printers is the 13x19 print size limit.
>
> Ben
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William"
big_willum53@ wrote:
> >
> > Hello All
> > I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> > This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to
produce
> > stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At
the
> > moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
> > trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> > wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to
produce
> > work without a colour cast.
> > Many Thanks
> > Willumm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



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Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-30 by Paul

Willumm,

I have the exact same setup Ben does, and would echo everything he says. There's only one difference, and that's that I use MIS cleaning fluid in the color positions. True, I give up color printing but I seldom need color and it's a lot cheaper this way. Plus, you get an inexpensive cleaning job whenever the printer does a startup. I've found that Ilford FP4 film works well for me also, except that I use 35mm and 120 film, not 4x5. Even the 35mm negs give excellent 8 x 10 results, I've not tried larger prints. But I have made 11 x 14 prints from 120 film and they are just fine.

Good luck in your printing,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "willummthecelt" <big_willum53@...> wrote:
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>
> Thank you Ben for your reply to my post I have not looked for your
> documeny yet, as the grandshilldren are running Amok .
> I call myself Willumm as my far better half, calls me everything other
> than William so Willumm the Celt it is.
> Thanks again for your information
> Willumm
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ben"
> <benjschneider2@> wrote:
> >
> > Willumm,
> >
> > That is the first time I have spelled that name that way.  Nice
> meeting you.
> >
> > I have been make some very exciting B&W prints on the R1800 using
> QuadTone RIP and the 3k printing process.  These are some of the best
> B&W prints I have ever made in my forty years of making photographs.
> >
> > I have been a large format shooter from nearly the start, and I have
> been making improved prints, over my darkroom prints, on the R1800.  I
> scan the mostly 4x5 negatives on an ICG drum scanner in RGB then print
> them on the R1800 using mostly black inks.  The only time color inks are
> used is when I want to tone a print, or print on glossy paper.
> >
> > I made a post on this list just a week ago or so about my process.  I
> am sure you can find it in the archives.  I print from neutral to sepia
> to cool prints with just the move of sliders in the RIP program.  I have
> printed on matte papers using MIS Ebony inks, and on glossy papers using
> the Epson inks.  Changing from to the other is easy, but will cost you a
> bit of ink.
> >
> > What is nice about printing on matte papers is that the printer will
> still be able to print color, as well as great B&W.  I have been using
> different brands of paper, depending on the reason for the print, and
> the final look that I want.  Different papers make big differences in
> the outcome.
> >
> > The detail I am pulling out of my old negatives, mostly Ilford FP-4
> film, is truly amazing.  Very long, smooth tonal ranges, filled with
> detail I never saw from a print made through some of Schneider's best
> enlarging lenses.  They are much better then the DSLR images I am
> shooting now.  If I didn't have such a bad back, I would still be
> shooting the 4x5.  I can't carry the weight of the equipment very long
> before I can't walk the next day.  Bad L-4 disc!
> >
> > If you can't find my post in the archives, let me know and I will find
> it and send you a copy.
> >
> > I think the R1800 is one of the best photo printers ever made.  It is
> sad that Epson has dropped it.  I have been wanting to try a R1400 with
> Carbon 6.  If the economy keeps improving I will get the set up.  The on
> limitation I don't like in both printers is the 13x19 print size limit.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William"
> big_willum53@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All
> > > I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> > > This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to
> produce
> > > stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At
> the
> > > moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
> > > trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> > > wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to
> produce
> > > work without a colour cast.
> > > Many Thanks
> > > Willumm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: EPSON R1800

2010-01-30 by willummthecelt

Thanks Paul for your confirmation on Ben's Post
It seems that I have a great deal of reading and hands on practice.
Thanks again Paul
Willumm
The Celt






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul"
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Willumm,
>
> I have the exact same setup Ben does, and would echo everything he
says. There's only one difference, and that's that I use MIS cleaning
fluid in the color positions. True, I give up color printing but I
seldom need color and it's a lot cheaper this way. Plus, you get an
inexpensive cleaning job whenever the printer does a startup. I've found
that Ilford FP4 film works well for me also, except that I use 35mm and
120 film, not 4x5. Even the 35mm negs give excellent 8 x 10 results,
I've not tried larger prints. But I have made 11 x 14 prints from 120
film and they are just fine.
>
> Good luck in your printing,
>
> Paul
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "willummthecelt"
big_willum53@ wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Ben for your reply to my post I have not looked for your
> > documeny yet, as the grandshilldren are running Amok .
> > I call myself Willumm as my far better half, calls me everything
other
> > than William so Willumm the Celt it is.
> > Thanks again for your information
> > Willumm
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ben"
> > <benjschneider2@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Willumm,
> > >
> > > That is the first time I have spelled that name that way.  Nice
> > meeting you.
> > >
> > > I have been make some very exciting B&W prints on the R1800 using
> > QuadTone RIP and the 3k printing process.  These are some of the
best
> > B&W prints I have ever made in my forty years of making photographs.
> > >
> > > I have been a large format shooter from nearly the start, and I
have
> > been making improved prints, over my darkroom prints, on the R1800. 
I
> > scan the mostly 4x5 negatives on an ICG drum scanner in RGB then
print
> > them on the R1800 using mostly black inks.  The only time color inks
are
> > used is when I want to tone a print, or print on glossy paper.
> > >
> > > I made a post on this list just a week ago or so about my process.
I
> > am sure you can find it in the archives.  I print from neutral to
sepia
> > to cool prints with just the move of sliders in the RIP program.  I
have
> > printed on matte papers using MIS Ebony inks, and on glossy papers
using
> > the Epson inks.  Changing from to the other is easy, but will cost
you a
> > bit of ink.
> > >
> > > What is nice about printing on matte papers is that the printer
will
> > still be able to print color, as well as great B&W.  I have been
using
> > different brands of paper, depending on the reason for the print,
and
> > the final look that I want.  Different papers make big differences
in
> > the outcome.
> > >
> > > The detail I am pulling out of my old negatives, mostly Ilford
FP-4
> > film, is truly amazing.  Very long, smooth tonal ranges, filled with
> > detail I never saw from a print made through some of Schneider's
best
> > enlarging lenses.  They are much better then the DSLR images I am
> > shooting now.  If I didn't have such a bad back, I would still be
> > shooting the 4x5.  I can't carry the weight of the equipment very
long
> > before I can't walk the next day.  Bad L-4 disc!
> > >
> > > If you can't find my post in the archives, let me know and I will
find
> > it and send you a copy.
> > >
> > > I think the R1800 is one of the best photo printers ever made.  It
is
> > sad that Epson has dropped it.  I have been wanting to try a R1400
with
> > Carbon 6.  If the economy keeps improving I will get the set up. 
The on
> > limitation I don't like in both printers is the 13x19 print size
limit.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William"
> > big_willum53@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello All
> > > > I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> > > > This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to
> > produce
> > > > stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800. 
At
> > the
> > > > moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have
been
> > > > trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> > > > wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to
> > produce
> > > > work without a colour cast.
> > > > Many Thanks
> > > > Willumm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



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Re: EPSON R1800

2010-02-09 by bobtail75

Hi,Willum,
I started using the 1800 with the Paul Rourke 3MK system, and got good results on Lyson Smooth Fine Art paper. I started with the 3 cartridges from Ink Supply in the USA. Like you I am UK based , in Devon, so many of the US papers etc are difficult to get.Although I may get back to using the MIS ink, I now have an all Lyson set-up, supplied by Marrutt Ltd.( www.marrutt.com ) They supplied 3 re-fillable cartridges (auto re-set type) and a 125ml bottle of the Mk ink from their system. On the Smooth Fine Art paper I get sumtuous BW A3's .I use the QTR curve as for PA Smooth HP270. For a cooler print I use Permajet Matt 240 on the same curve.You need to use the rear paper feed for the Fine Art paper.
Chris.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William" <big_willum53@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hello All
> I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to produce
> stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At the
> moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
> trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to produce
> work without a colour cast.
> Many Thanks
> Willumm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: EPSON R1800

2010-02-15 by willummthecelt

Hello Chris
I have not been looking at the post lately and I am only now seeing your
post. Thanks for your information  and it is nice to know I am not the
only person in GB wanting 3MK system. I will read your post again and
follow your links to the information I need
Once again
Thanks Chris
Willumm


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobtail75"
<cperfect594@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,Willum,
> I started using the 1800 with the Paul Rourke 3MK system, and got good
results on Lyson Smooth Fine Art paper. I started with the 3 cartridges
from Ink Supply in the USA. Like you I am UK based , in Devon, so many
of the US papers etc are difficult to get.Although I may get back to
using the MIS ink, I now have an all Lyson set-up, supplied by Marrutt
Ltd.( www.marrutt.com ) They supplied 3 re-fillable cartridges (auto
re-set type) and a 125ml bottle of the Mk ink from their system. On the
Smooth Fine Art paper I get sumtuous BW A3's .I use the QTR curve as for
PA Smooth HP270. For a cooler print I use Permajet Matt 240 on the same
curve.You need to use the rear paper feed for the Fine Art paper.
> Chris.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William"
big_willum53@ wrote:
> >
> > Hello All
> > I am Willumm A Celt living in Glamorgan South Wales UK.
> > This is my first post and I would like to ask the group how to
produce
> > stunning Black and White printed Images using my Epson R1800.  At
the
> > moment I am getting either Green cast or Magenta cast so I have been
> > trolling the web looking for help and I came upon your group and
> > wondered if you as a group  would help in laymans terms how to
produce
> > work without a colour cast.
> > Many Thanks
> > Willumm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



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