Only just joined this curiously tense thread. Is there something so fundamentally (unintended joke) annoying about wanting sine waves when spending well over a thousand pounds on a mono-synth? *I* want sine waves as pure as possible because I like using ring mod which tends to sound rather nasty and noisy with anything other than pure sines. I know because I've tried using things other than sine waves, not because someone told me so. I heard the A110 wasn't a pure sine. I bought an A111 and a dual cwejman instead. They produce nice non-noisy sines and the ring mod produced sounds good to my ears. I am now happy. I'm happy to hear what solutions other people have found to the pure-sine dilemma. I'm also happy to hear that other people don't care about pure sines - that's interesting in itself, and I love hearing the work-arounds. Can't we all move on or play nice? --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Monroe Eskew <monroe.eskew@...> wrote: > > So what is the purpose of this? Isn't a slightly imperfect sine > impossible to distinguish aurally? And can't you filter out any > imperfections to near-silence with an LPF? > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 10:02 AM, laryn91 wrote: > > > My ZO starts to distort at lower freqs (looks like a square with > > rounded corners). So it's a > > sine for only part of its range. > > > > I'm not so much interested about whose *distorted* sine wave sounds > > best, but who's sine > > output actually has no audible harmonic distortion (i.e fundamental > > only). > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > or maybe Cyndustries Zeroscillator...i think that should also have > > a very good sinewave. > > > > > > that said, i also really like a lot the sine of the A111's (i use > > them all the time!) and the > > sine of the AFG (regarding Euro). > > > > > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > > www. DiN. org. uk > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk > > > www. rubberrecords. gr > > > Athens - Greece > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/28/08, laryn91 <caymus91@> wrote: > > > > > > From: laryn91 <caymus91@> > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform > > quality? > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I originally asked if anybody sold a VCO with undistorted sine > > outputs. In summary here > > > are the replies I got: > > > > > > 1 - Manufactures claim they can spec any wave with rounded peaks > > as "Sine". Even if > > you > > > can clearly hear even harmonic distortion - any roundish looking > > shape is a close > > enough > > > to be called a Sine. > > > > > > 2 - Analog vs. Digital religion states that analog must always > > remain imprecise because > > > that is its character. We don't want a clean analog wave with no > > added harmonics in our > > > system because that would make it digital. > > > > > > 3 - Finally the topic police posted their overall disapproval of > > this discussion. Even > > > banning members was suggested! > > > > > > So I learned if you want a real sine wave (as defined by Fourier), > > get Plan-B Model 15... > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, york luethje <ybl@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why ban people? I found the debate lively at first, although it > > later turned somewhat > > > obnoxious. Dieter Doepfer has given an excellent reply and I think > > matters should rest > > > there. > > > > > > > > York > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > From: kovski774 <kovski@> > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:30:55 AM > > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform > > quality? > > > > > > > > > > > > or perhaps we can just ban argitoth? the guy's a trainwreck, > > spoils > > > > every message board he signs up to with inane opinions presented > > as > > > > fact and a TOTAL lack of self awareness. > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros > > > > <synth_freak_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes, good idea. i can then NOT join that group... > > > > > > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > > > > www. DiN. org. uk > > > > > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com > > > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk > > > > > www. rubberrecords. gr > > > > > Athens - Greece > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Frequency Divider <freq.div@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Frequency Divider <freq.div@ .> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 > > waveform > > > > quality? > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i would like to suggest the creation of a seperate list or yahoo > > > > group > > > > > for any future sine wave purity discussions. you could even join > > > > the > > > > > alternate tunings list for obsessive talk about tuning the vco > > in > > > > cents > > > > > and fractions of cents > > > > > > > > > > Argitoth schreef: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > btw, here's the Tip Top Audio VCO waveform test: > > > > > > http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=2158 > > > > > > <http://www.muffwigg ler.com/forum/ viewtopic. php?t=2158> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just me or does Analogue Systems VCO produce better > > > > traingles and > > > > > > sines? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks James, > > > > > > > > > > > > Laryn91, I just recorded my synth using the filter as a > > > > waveshaper. > > > > > > Good tracking is not needed, you just have to patch a 1v/oct > > > > signal > > > > > > into the filter's VC, but that VC needs an attenuator. You > > don't > > > > want > > > > > > to give it full VC. Here's the recording: > > > > > > http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ filter-waveshapi ng-test.wav > > > > > > <http://www.elanhick ler.com/misc/ filter-waveshapi ng-test.wav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Raw sound without filtering. > > > > > > 2. With filtering (notice how you can't hear low notes, that's > > > > how it > > > > > > should be with sine waves, however the problem is that low > > notes > > > > also > > > > > > have small peaks) > > > > > > 3. With filtering used as a modulator (the lesser peaks means > > > > it's not > > > > > > good as a modulator, not enough volume anymore) > > > > > > 4. Without filtering used as a pitch modulator (this is how > > the > > > > > > modulation should sound) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... Its anyone's guess if a filter is really worth using > > as a > > > > waveshaper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release > > Date: > > > > 11/24/2008 2:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?
2008-11-29 by madrayken