Doepfer

Well,
I haven't read it all but... I don't care about notes...sequences.. I use
sequences but usually destroyed. midi, I have an Encore Expressionist that I
got 5 or 6 years ago when I first got my large modular(E-mu) but I just
really have not used it at all since, I may sell but it is cool and one day
maybe I'll get back into midi... note; I have two A-155 so I'll grab a A-154
for sure and I and many I know will miss the N64 controller.. but midi.. I
don't do. roland? I don't touch, ok, I have a gr500 g-synth that I play with
eproms instead of picks.  ppq?  I'm only trying to give you MY perspective,
not being snobby or anything. I like all GOOD music. Really liked the new
Kraftwerk as an example as something that is relevant here. Myself I like
dysfunctional modules.  I also have a Regelwerk but have never used the midi
on it, partly as I use macs and Doepfer has never been mac friendly.


I also, want more powerful possibilities as you say, but I like the modular
idea for this,  if midi adds significant  cost and time, I think it should
be passed on, However if as you say it is microprocessor based I will step
back and re-evaluate things... not sure this is what I wanted. I like
voltages.. tube synths, messed up diy `synths... but again I know that's
just me.
As for midi, personally, it didn't work for me, I tweaked stuff forever
nothing was ever "done." It all became over done/ too perfect. I like to
capture the raw spirit of the moment. I use the modulars now.

best,
phil

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On 11/7/03 9:26 PM, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" <ph@c...> wrote:
>> hi all and Doepfer,
>> I think I agree 90%, I just want a true TKB, an expressive
> controller.
>> I just really don't care about midi, I don't use midi,
> 
> Hi PH, 
> 
> Do you live in a 24 ppq world? Or 1 ppq world? Are you using a roland
> MC-4 to do pattern or song composition? Or are you a cut and paste
> tape kinda person? No disrespect, but this seems rather limiting.
> 
> For the last 15 or so years, i would say midi is a pretty important
> form of manipulating notes and musical structures. Unless you are
> inputting notes, step wise, a la MC-4 (which is a computer controlled
> sequencer)you are not going too far, musically speaking. It's all
> about control, The benefit of midi is the ability to edit and save
> your musical ideas.
> 
> 
> and it seems it could
>> be expensive to add good enough converters to make midi functions
> accurate.
> 
> You have to understand that the proposed TKB will be microprocessor
> based to begin with, therefore with a little extra code and a few
> extra converters and proper planning, you could make it more
> functional to work with in both worlds, analogue and midi. Plus most
> of the ground work for this has been developed in one way or another
> already by Doepfer. It would cost more money to keep it strictly
> analogue. We already have analogue sources to control our modulars.
> All of these sources are very linear and static ( i.e. note length
> limitations, etc.).
> 
>> perhaps not: for $30 more sure midi is a cool bonus.
>> But with this argument you could add midi to many A-100 modules, so
> I prefer
>> leaving midi out of it.
> 
> That is why we have midi2cv converters. We are not talking about
> adding midi control to A100 modules, we are talking about adding midi
> control to a controller, so you can save and edit your work and
> control your analogue sounds.
> 
>> Keep it simple. (or keep it open?) I would want it to more and
> faster, but I
>> want about all the new modules about to come out so my budget needs
> to catch
>> up.
>> Perhaps a very basic budget version would be good to get things
> going 
> 
> This has nothing to do with the proposed Doepfer TKB. A Serge TKB can
> be bought brand new for $1850.00usd for the TKB, $275.00usd for the
> power supply and $400.00usd for the Rox box enclosure, which brings
> us to a grand total of $2525.00usd for a simple 4 x 16 touch
> sequencer keyboard.This is for a simple TKB, nothing fancy. The
> Doepfer Tkb will have more features and will probably be a
> $1000.00usd cheaper or less. If you need simplicity buy a Serge TKB.
> 
> Phil I am just looking at the more powerful possibilities, were the
> tkb to have midi implementation. With the price of laptops these days
> and the software available, the combination of both would be
> thrilling. The proposed Doepfer TKB can have the ability to do both,
> so we would benefit more from having both.
> 
> Regards,
> RM
> 
> 
> 
> and
>> later after feedback based on that a deluxe model or an expander
> like the
>> A-154). Many have not used a TKB, so what people are asking for I
> suspect,
>> may change drastically after having even a basic version
>> 
>> many exciting modules coming out, now we need a 9 or 12 space
> frame/psu.
>> best,
>> phil
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/7/03 4:08 PM, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Bakis and Mr Doepfer,
>>> 
>>> The proposed TKB is bound for failure, feature and function wise,
>>> idealistically speaking. Not every feature, one wants, will be
> able
>>> to be implemented.
>>> 
>>> Let's get the basics straight. First, the proposed Doepfer TKB is
>>> modelled after the two of the most sought after and expressive
>>> analogue controllers out there, the Buchla 219 Touch Keyboard and
> the
>>> Serge TKB. Here are the url's;
>>> 
>>> http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/219-keyboard.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.scampers.com/EGRES/wiz_seq.htm
>>> 
>>> These are features and functions the proposed Doepfer TKB is based
>>> upon. This the foundation from which to build upon and not to
>>> subtract from. Mr. Doepfer and Company have done a Good Job so
> far,
>>> it just needs to be tweaked some more.
>>> 
>>> The pressure voltage, derived by capacitance-activated touch
> plates
>>> or keys, is the most natural and expressive control in electrical
>>> terms. It is very similar to playing a string instrument. It is
>>> direct and immediate, finger to touch plate, unlike an organ
> manual,
>>> finger to plastic key, plastic key to trigger contact.
>>> 
>>> The whole point of the proposed Doepfer TKB is bring elements of
> the
>>> above mentioned controllers and not to have a organ style manual
>>> dictate how it should be or perform. There are very few of these
>>> controllers around for people to make remarks or opine ideas on
> how
>>> they should be built, so it should be modelled from the originals
>>> with input from people who have used and understand them.
>>> 
>>> The electronics of the Buchla 219 were then adapted to an organ
> style
>>> manual. Here is the url,
>>> 
>>> http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/keys-23X.html
>>> http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/images/237-large.jpeg
>>> 
>>> Since we live in the microprocessor age, it is only feasible and
>>> logical to have midi onboard. Building the proposed Doepfer TKB,
>>> Analogue style, would be cost prohibitive. It should be modular in
>>> its approach to allow for expansion of I/O and sequencer functions
>>> and not the other way around.
>>> 
>>> To hear a touch keyboard in action, please check some of Charles
>>> Cohen's mp3's to give you an idea. Here is the url,
>>> 
>>> http://phobos.serve.com/charles_cohen/?D=A
>>> 
>>> Live_at_the_Gathering_19981212 - - track 2 and 3 are pretty good
>>> indications of the Buchla sound and touchplates.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
> 
> 
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