Doepfer

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" <ph@c...> wrote:
> hi all and Doepfer,
> I think I agree 90%, I just want a true TKB, an expressive 
controller.
> I just really don't care about midi, I don't use midi, 

Hi PH, 

Do you live in a 24 ppq world? Or 1 ppq world? Are you using a roland 
MC-4 to do pattern or song composition? Or are you a cut and paste 
tape kinda person? No disrespect, but this seems rather limiting.

For the last 15 or so years, i would say midi is a pretty important 
form of manipulating notes and musical structures. Unless you are 
inputting notes, step wise, a la MC-4 (which is a computer controlled 
sequencer)you are not going too far, musically speaking. It's all 
about control, The benefit of midi is the ability to edit and save 
your musical ideas.


and it seems it could
> be expensive to add good enough converters to make midi functions 
accurate.

You have to understand that the proposed TKB will be microprocessor 
based to begin with, therefore with a little extra code and a few 
extra converters and proper planning, you could make it more 
functional to work with in both worlds, analogue and midi. Plus most 
of the ground work for this has been developed in one way or another 
already by Doepfer. It would cost more money to keep it strictly 
analogue. We already have analogue sources to control our modulars. 
All of these sources are very linear and static ( i.e. note length 
limitations, etc.).

> perhaps not: for $30 more sure midi is a cool bonus.
> But with this argument you could add midi to many A-100 modules, so 
I prefer
> leaving midi out of it.

That is why we have midi2cv converters. We are not talking about 
adding midi control to A100 modules, we are talking about adding midi 
control to a controller, so you can save and edit your work and 
control your analogue sounds.

> Keep it simple. (or keep it open?) I would want it to more and 
faster, but I
> want about all the new modules about to come out so my budget needs 
to catch
> up.
> Perhaps a very basic budget version would be good to get things 
going 

This has nothing to do with the proposed Doepfer TKB. A Serge TKB can 
be bought brand new for $1850.00usd for the TKB, $275.00usd for the 
power supply and $400.00usd for the Rox box enclosure, which brings 
us to a grand total of $2525.00usd for a simple 4 x 16 touch 
sequencer keyboard.This is for a simple TKB, nothing fancy. The 
Doepfer Tkb will have more features and will probably be a 
$1000.00usd cheaper or less. If you need simplicity buy a Serge TKB.

Phil I am just looking at the more powerful possibilities, were the 
tkb to have midi implementation. With the price of laptops these days 
and the software available, the combination of both would be 
thrilling. The proposed Doepfer TKB can have the ability to do both, 
so we would benefit more from having both. 

Regards,
RM



and
> later after feedback based on that a deluxe model or an expander 
like the
> A-154). Many have not used a TKB, so what people are asking for I 
suspect,
> may change drastically after having even a basic version
> 
> many exciting modules coming out, now we need a 9 or 12 space 
frame/psu.
> best,
> phil
> 
> 
> On 11/7/03 4:08 PM, "ringmod45" <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Bakis and Mr Doepfer,
> > 
> > The proposed TKB is bound for failure, feature and function wise,
> > idealistically speaking. Not every feature, one wants, will be 
able
> > to be implemented.
> > 
> > Let's get the basics straight. First, the proposed Doepfer TKB is
> > modelled after the two of the most sought after and expressive
> > analogue controllers out there, the Buchla 219 Touch Keyboard and 
the
> > Serge TKB. Here are the url's;
> > 
> > http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/219-keyboard.html
> > 
> > http://www.scampers.com/EGRES/wiz_seq.htm
> > 
> > These are features and functions the proposed Doepfer TKB is based
> > upon. This the foundation from which to build upon and not to
> > subtract from. Mr. Doepfer and Company have done a Good Job so 
far,
> > it just needs to be tweaked some more.
> > 
> > The pressure voltage, derived by capacitance-activated touch 
plates
> > or keys, is the most natural and expressive control in electrical
> > terms. It is very similar to playing a string instrument. It is
> > direct and immediate, finger to touch plate, unlike an organ 
manual,
> > finger to plastic key, plastic key to trigger contact.
> > 
> > The whole point of the proposed Doepfer TKB is bring elements of 
the
> > above mentioned controllers and not to have a organ style manual
> > dictate how it should be or perform. There are very few of these
> > controllers around for people to make remarks or opine ideas on 
how
> > they should be built, so it should be modelled from the originals
> > with input from people who have used and understand them.
> > 
> > The electronics of the Buchla 219 were then adapted to an organ 
style
> > manual. Here is the url,
> > 
> > http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/keys-23X.html
> > http://www.buchla.com/historical/b200/images/237-large.jpeg
> > 
> > Since we live in the microprocessor age, it is only feasible and
> > logical to have midi onboard. Building the proposed Doepfer TKB,
> > Analogue style, would be cost prohibitive. It should be modular in
> > its approach to allow for expansion of I/O and sequencer functions
> > and not the other way around.
> > 
> > To hear a touch keyboard in action, please check some of Charles
> > Cohen's mp3's to give you an idea. Here is the url,
> > 
> > http://phobos.serve.com/charles_cohen/?D=A
> > 
> > Live_at_the_Gathering_19981212 - - track 2 and 3 are pretty good
> > indications of the Buchla sound and touchplates.
> > 
> > Regards,