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Re: Power Source interference

2004-12-08 by ilanode

Hi Stuadh
>   As to using different power boards, I'm assuming that this 
refers 
> to separate distribution boards, and not different PSUs? I can 
easily install another 
> dist board for the "noisy" modules.

Actually that should solve the problem: 1 PSU to power the distrib. 
boards for "clean" modules and another 1 for the "dirty" ones. Just 
crossing my mind what your cap querry earlier might refered to: on 
the Oakley distr. board 2 separate ground rails are connected 
through a 470nF cap but this is of no help with the Doepfer board 
since here all 6 ground pins are already connected on the board's 
pcb. Regards, Ingo

> Stuadh
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Ison" 
<andrew.ison@n...> 
> wrote:
> > Hows about live components touching the earthed rack itself?
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: stuadh 
> >   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:02 AM
> >   Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Power Source interference
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   In my case, I can't really contact Doepfer direct as I'm using 
a 
> mix 
> >   of A Sys, Doepfer and homemade modules with a 6U A Sys case 
and a 
> 6U 
> >   homemade case Power-one PSU).  That said, the trouble started 
> before 
> >   I added any of the homemade stuff and I added the a-146 LFO to 
> the A 
> >   Sys case.  That was the clincher.  I agree that the LED may 
not 
> be 
> >   causing the problems, but in my case, the modulation is 
clearly 
> co-
> >   incident with the the LEDs - speed up the LFO/ADSR or 
whatever, 
> and 
> >   the modulation speeds up, too.  I'm also well within my Ampage 
> limit 
> >   (by about 3 Amps)
> >     While I may be wrong, I believe that my cases are correctly 
> >   grounded.  I've tested the voltages of the PSUs and they check 
> out.
> > 
> >     I was particularly interested in a thread when I first 
raised 
> this 
> >   problem here which Julian and others helped with.  Then, it 
was 
> >   mentioned that adding large capacitors across the power rails 
> might 
> >   help.  My questions are:
> > 
> >   what sort of value is recommended?
> >   Does a cap have to be added at the end of each distribution 
> board, or 
> >   is one pair in a system enough?
> >   What type of cap is recommended?
> >   Does it work?
> > 
> >   Cheers
> > 
> >   Stuadh
> > 
> >   --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> >   <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> >   > btw, it is really wierd:
> >   > i have a modular with 18 PSU's and i have never
> >   > noticed any interference in the audio outputs.
> >   > are you sure that all the 6U cases are properly
> >   > grounded?
> >   > but, of course, you should contact Roland Mayer
> >   > direct.
> >   > his email: technik@d...
> >   > bakis.
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > --- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> >   > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > hello richard,
> >   > > 
> >   > > i'd love to help you, but i can't.
> >   > > i'm a nut when it comes to electrical things.
> >   > > maybe you should email the technical
> >   > > stuff at doepfer directly.
> >   > > 
> >   > > best wishes
> >   > > 
> >   > > ingo
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "trebcavxx"
> >   > > <richardbarton@c...> 
> >   > > wrote:
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > You've highlighted a condition that's been present
> >   > > in my own 75-
> >   > > > module synth almost from the word GO - pulsating
> >   > > modulation in the 
> >   > > > sound output. It occurs to a greater or lesser
> >   > > degree in virtually 
> >   > > > ALL patches (I have 11 VCOs) - and takesd the form
> >   > > of a cyclic 
> >   > > > variation in amplitude - usually giving the sound
> >   > > a "woo-
> >   > > > woo.......woo-woo........woo-woo" character rather
> >   > > than a straight 
> >   > > > tremolo effect. As I say, this has happened from
> >   > > the humble 
> >   > > > beginnings of a single VCO setup. I now have 5
> >   > > seperate power 
> >   > > > supplies in the cabinet. I'm a bit doubtful that
> >   > > LEDs are causing 
> >   > > it 
> >   > > > in my case, but would anyone have a cure for
> >   > > either of our 
> >   > > problems ? 
> >   > > > I notice the previous mailing has been pretty well
> >   > > ignored.
> >   > > > Richard
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "stuadh"
> >   > > <stuadh@h...> wrote:
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > > Hi,
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > >   I've been reading up on interference caused by
> >   > > LEDs on the 
> >   > > > > power bus in the archives, a problem that I'm
> >   > > having in my 
> >   > > > > homemade and commercial cases.  I've minimised
> >   > > the problem 
> >   > > > > by strategically placing the offending modules,
> >   > > but there was 
> >   > > > > some discussion about including large capacitors
> >   > > between the 
> >   > > > > power rails to help stop this problem occuring
> >   > > in the first place.
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > >   Has anyone done this, and was it successful? 
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > >   What constitutes a "large capacitor" and what
> >   > > type.  Does the 
> >   > > > > polarity make a difference?
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > > Yours Aye
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > > Stuadh
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > 
> >   > 
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