Doepfer

>thanks florian,
>i totaly agree with you in the comparison between
>MOTM(or other expensive modulars)and DOEPFER!!!
>also,i think you are right about this endless
>discussion about the upgrade of
>regelwerk/shaltwerk...


sorry to say it, but you are both wrong on that issue.
customer support and upgrading is an issue. they do 
control my A100 system. 


>(but,please let's not reply to
>each other with "shut up"and things like
>that,o.k.??:-)...)
 

i totally agree with you on that one. let's save the 
kindergarden comments for the schoolyard. this group 
is about debate, thought and discussion. let's focus 
on the issues at hand. they might be to you , so keep
an open mind.


>by the way,i don't have a MAQ,or regelwek,or
>shaltwerk,so i can't say anything about
>them,really....

curious? what do you use to control your A100?
using an A155 does only monophonic lines. what happens when you want 
to do more one? what do you do when you to chain multiple phrases 
together?  what do you do when you want to play a melody over a nice 
liquid bass line ?what happens when you want to save them, so you can 
on it the next day? here is where the MAQ, Regelwerk and the 
Schaltwerk come to play. all 3 of them send only 16th note 
lenghths.not musically creative or functional unless all you are 
looking is repetitive 16th notes all day long. by having the 
possibility to tie notes together you will be able to do whole notes, 
half notes...etc.
so the door should not be shut and locked to those want to use their 
sequencers that way.


>but as far as i know dieter,is a very
>nice man,

I never discussed or mentioned anything about his character.



>that cares about his customers,


I am sure he cares about his customers, he should care a little more 
about customers who voice their opinions about certain features that 
need to be added to their gear. the note tie issue is a monumental 
lack of forsight. that should have been one of the first arguments 
when they were planning the Schaltwerk. i mean the the TB-303 did it 
with an older processor. so there is no excuse. if he really cared a 
lot, this issue would not have been on the back burner for the last 5 
years.  they should do something about it in the very near future 
i.e. now. it will send a clear message that he really cares about 
their products and send a positive note on the state of things to 
come and boost the image of his company. i hope you never have the 
sinking feeling i get when i look in dismay at my schaltwerk in the 
closet , hoping for something to happen ever.


>and does what >he does >because he loves his work,not >just to make 
money...,o.k.??

i am sure he does, that's why he is the synth building business.


>so,if he tells us that it's difficult
>to upgrade the shaltwerk/regelwerk,he must be
>right...after all,  

how diffcult can it really be. they plan, design, prototype and build 
PCB's to put into cases or face plates for a living. pain in the ass, 
yes, difficult no. difficult is squeezing a square peg into a hole of 
the same diameter. most of the code for the machine is already 
written,so a little more coding will do the trick. seems to me it's 
just a memory and faster cpu issue that should be solved fairly 
quickly. this should be a piece of cake
 




let's see how many people are ready
>to pay these extra 300 euros for a hardware upgrade.

sorry, 300 or 400  euros isn't that the figurative price for the new 
touch sensor keyboard? i don't see 25 pots, 88 1/8" phone jacks and 
29 led's going into the the proposed upgrade. those items are 
expensive. on top of that no drilling to the actual cases and face 
plates. we are talking about a stuffed PCB, re-connect a few wires 
and writing more code to implement it to the current OS.

i am willing to pay a fair price for the upgrade. i think the upgrade 
should be done for  the parts, plus labour and a small mark-up, say 
10% to 20% for the effort. the price for the upgrade should be 
distributed between Doepfer,the existing and future customers. should 
we take the hit for the boards that are going the wayside? i think 
parts and labour should be factored in the equation but definitely 
not the mark- up attached to them. that seems pretty fair i would 
say. 



>if
>you see that are more that 10(according to the polls),
>then please address your requests directly to doepfer
>or chris assall.) 


i think the discussion should be kept in this group, so people can 
see what is actually going to happen. second, it can really help 
doepfer expose their effort and it might lead more sales.



>AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH DOEPFER ON HIS INTEREST TO
>ALWAYS DEVELOP MORE NEW MODULES FOR THE A100!!!

i agree, but not to the detriment of other products which definitely 
need a helping hand and upgrades to realize their full potential and 
become the shining stars they to to be. the MAQ, Regelwerk, 
Schaltwerk are vital to the control of the A100. if they were not 
they would not have been built in the place. this will solidify the 
image of Doepfer Musikelektronik in the synth world and bring more 
sales in the process. remember nothing sells a product then word of 
mouth. for now, mum's the word until i see an effort on their part. 

regards and let's keep an open mind,
RM 

p.s. i am ready to spend more money with your company. when i see an 
effort on your part, i will add more polyphony to my system. by the 
way those touch sensor keyboards do look appealing. i think i may 
bend the rules a little and buy as soon they come out.:) count in for 
one to start.
THAT'S
>THE MAIN BEAUTY OF A MODULAR SYNTHESIZER...
>AND,AGAIN,DOEPFER MODULES ARE GIVING EVERYONE MANY
>FEATURES FOR A GOOD PRICE(a thing that you can't say
>about MOTM,TECHNOSAURUS or SERGE and all those
>overpriced modulars,o.k.???)
>just think of one thing:if serge would release a
>sensor-keyboard like the new one from deopfer(see the
>doepfer site!!!)it would cost,at least,DOUBLE THE
>PRICE(or triple???),and probably fewer people could
>afford it!!!!!!!!!! 
>that's my opinion.
>keep on synthesizing,everyone...
>synthfreak
>BAKIS(not bakkis!!!) SIRROS. 

sorry about the misprint of your name.



--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@c...>
wrote:
> Sorry guys, 
> 
> but this is an ugly reply to the demands of many
> people here:
> 
> 
> 
> Doepfer offers and sells modules with dedicated
> features announced. These 
> features are forfilled. There were only very very
> few real technical bugs,
> which reduced the announced features; as far as I
> know the owners of the
> corresponing modules were informed personally and
> the repair was initiated
> by Doepfer. This is more than the usual of the
> standard behaviour of other
> producers.
> 
> 
> What you all expect is the fix of (to your
> opinion 
> annoying) lack of features.
> 
> 
> 
> To stay in the car comparison: You bought a
> Volkswagen, now you find, that
> it does not include air conditioning and its
> instruments panel is made from
> simple plastic instead of maple wood. So you expect
> Volkswagen AG to make a
> Mercedes out of your beetle.
> 
> Now you want Doepfer to make a MOTM-Standard out of
> the A-100 modules. What
> do you think Doepfer is? A social station? A
> Doepfer module usually costs
> less than the half of a MOTM module (I just compared
> the MOTM price list
> with Doepfers prices: often only 25% to 35% of MOTM
> !!!). So i think you
> can be DAMNED LUCKY that it provides 90 percent of
> the technical features
> and three quarter of the mechanical quality.
> 
> 
> 
> A Mercedes is a nice car. Nothing to say against it,
> but please stop
> complaining about the fact that you were so stingy
> to afford only a
> Volkswagen. IF YOU WANT A MERCEDES, THEN PAY FOR IT.
> 
> If you don't have the money, then shut up!
> 
> Florian
> 


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