Doepfer

hi bakis, no problem for the poll. it will take an hour or so to do it.
 it will be complete and precise. 
 if anyone has questions on any of the features
that i propose. i will be glad to answer any questions. 

to andreas, it gets confusing to explain functions and features 
with out drawing a block diagram. just try the best you can.
also re-read them and make mental notes as if you were learning 
something new. hope this helps. i don't want to sound  holier than thou
or preachy, but try reading the allen strange book on synthesis techniques.
it describes what i am talking about from the base of what the modules
should do and their functions. the sequencer chapter is brilliant and
 very informative  and can serve as a base for creative and complex
patches. enjoy.

cheers,
RM

- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> hey RM,
> you really seem to know a lot about the buchla sensor
> keyboard and the serge T.K.B.!!
> PLEASE,DO ME A FAVOUR:as you have so many interesting
> suggestions ,create a new poll about the sensor
> keyboard with more additional features that you would
> like to see included(name it,poll part 3,or
> something...).i would be really grateful if you do
> this.
> thanks.
> bakis.
> 
> --- ringmod45 <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > well said, we need more of us to speak out in order
> > for doepfer to 
> > realise it is a pressing issue. the issue of having
> > a sequencer on 
> > the touch keyboard is somehow good and then not
> > good. if you want 
> > achieve Serge TKB like functions one let alone two
> > rows of pots will 
> > not do the trick. if you have two rows of pots the
> > only musical 
> > function you can perform is a trill, if you clock
> > them vertically. 
> > you have to ask yourself is it worth the price. so
> > by having only two 
> > rows you are underachieveing, hence limiting your
> > self. a better 
> > option would be to have a seperate sequencer beside
> > the touch 
> > keyboard. you than make it behave the same way as
> > the Serge TKB or 
> > the Buchla model 246, minus the touch plates. so you
> > make the 
> > sequencer with 24 pots per row and have 4 rows. you
> > then have below a 
> > control input and 3-way toggle switch for each
> > stage, which has 3 
> > functions, bottom position the keyboard plate turns
> > on that row so it 
> > can cycle the notes set by pots and the vertical
> > clock. middle 
> > position turns vertical clock off peforms a mute for
> > the horizontal 
> > clock. the top position accepts a gate or trig to
> > cycle through the 
> > four vertical. you have an ABCD output and a
> > vertical clock input. 
> > you have an individual output for each column. you
> > have 4 separate 
> > horizontal outputs A, B, C, and D . you perform the
> > horizontal  end 
> > point or reset, by having 4 ABCD buttons on the
> > touch keyboard. press 
> > and hold the button down and touch a corresponding
> > key on the touch 
> > key board to set the length of the sequence and
> > presto.
> > this combination of two separate units working in
> > tandem would be a 
> > far more realistic way of combining all the features
> > that we are 
> > trying to include. that way the units on their are
> > full featured and 
> > don't lose any by having every function one unit and
> > be limited by 
> > space and have them cut down to accomadate all of
> > them on one unit. 
> > by having them working in tandem you achieve a
> > powerful tool for some 
> > serious control and manipulation. i hope someone at
> > doepfer see the 
> > light on this concept.
> > regards,
> > RM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > 
> > > I don't contribute all that often; I do make the
> > time to read as 
> > much as I
> > > can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor
> > keyboard should 
> > surely be
> > > just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive
> > board.  It is 
> > then up to
> > > the individual to incorporate it as they see fit. 
> > The maq is 
> > cracking
> > > sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS
> > and the like.  
> > Let doepfer
> > > use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.
> >  They have the 
> > potential
> > > to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue
> > style sequencers 
> > ever.  My
> > > main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to
> > write patterns 
> > on the fly
> > > longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to
> > a new pattern) 
> > Roland
> > > managed it with the TR909 and that was some time
> > ago and until the
> > > schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate
> > writing of notes on a 
> > pattern
> > > of greater than 16.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > >  To all
> > > 
> > > Tris
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: david.salter@r... [mailto:david.salter@r...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> > touch keyboard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated
> > into the touch 
> > keyboard it
> > > has to be fully integrated.
> > > 
> > > The point that has been made by some people,
> > myself included is 
> > that it can
> > > be an add on and it would have to offer more than
> > a155 (just as you
> > > intimate).
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                     bakis Sirros
> > >                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> > > Doepfer_a100@y...
> > >                     yahoo.com>               cc:
> > >                                              
> > Subject:     Re:
> > > [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> > >                     27/02/2002 13:47         
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> > >                     Please respond to
> > >                     Doepfer_a100
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > sequencer
> > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> > the
> > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> > have a
> > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > synthfreak
> > > 
> > > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> > or
> > > > they should be very
> > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > it better.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hello !
> > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> > something
> > > > still visionary, even
> > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> > multiple
> > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> > "creeping
> > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > best,
> > > > dave
> > > >
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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