Doepfer

I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch keyboard it has to be fully integrated.

The point that has been made by some people, myself included is that it can be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you intimate).

David


                                                                                                                     
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                                              Subject:     Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard     
                    27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal Use Only                                         
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ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
synthfreak

--- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
>
>
> > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> good I would say that it
> > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> they should be very
> > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> understand it no point in adding
> > something that if very limited when there are
> several other solutions to do
> > it better.
>
>
>
> hello !
> i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> superior touch kybd / controller
> than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> completed, take a second look a
> sequencing and envelope generation using something
> still visionary, even
> after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> arbitrary random function
> generator as a conceptual starting point.
> let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> feature-itis" ..........
> best,
> dave
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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To what do you agree? That it should be built in or that it would better off
as an expansion that has a new set of features that matches the rest of the
TBK?

Glad I am not Dieter D, there are a lot of disparent vishes here ;)

/Andreas


----- Original Message -----
From: <david.salter@reuters.com>
>
> I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch keyboard
it has to be fully integrated.
>
> The point that has been made by some people, myself included is that it
can be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you
intimate).
>
> David
>
>
>
>                     bakis Sirros
>                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>                     yahoo.com>               cc:
>                                               Subject:     Re:
[Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>                     27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal Use
Only

>                     Please respond to
>                     Doepfer_a100
>
>
>
>
>
> ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> synthfreak
>
> --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > good I would say that it
> > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > > it better.
> >
> >
> >
> > hello !
> > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > superior touch kybd / controller
> > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > completed, take a second look a
> > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > still visionary, even
> > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > arbitrary random function
> > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > feature-itis" ..........
> > best,
> > dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi everyone,

I don’t contribute all that often; I do make the time to read as much as I
can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor keyboard should surely be
just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive board.  It is then up to
the individual to incorporate it as they see fit.  The maq is cracking
sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS and the like.  Let doepfer
use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.  They have the potential
to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue style sequencers ever.  My
main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to write patterns on the fly
longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to a new pattern) Roland
managed it with the TR909 and that was some time ago and until the
schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate writing of notes on a pattern
of greater than 16.

Regards
 To all

Tris

-----Original Message-----
From: david.salter@reuters.com [mailto:david.salter@reuters.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard


I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch keyboard it
has to be fully integrated.

The point that has been made by some people, myself included is that it can
be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you
intimate).

David



                    bakis Sirros
                    <synth_freak_2000@       To:
Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                    yahoo.com>               cc:
                                              Subject:     Re:
[Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
                    27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal Use Only
                    Please respond to
                    Doepfer_a100





ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
synthfreak

--- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
>
>
> > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> good I would say that it
> > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> they should be very
> > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> understand it no point in adding
> > something that if very limited when there are
> several other solutions to do
> > it better.
>
>
>
> hello !
> i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> superior touch kybd / controller
> than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> completed, take a second look a
> sequencing and envelope generation using something
> still visionary, even
> after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> arbitrary random function
> generator as a conceptual starting point.
> let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> feature-itis" ..........
> best,
> dave
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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well said, we need more of us to speak out in order for doepfer to 
realise it is a pressing issue. the issue of having a sequencer on 
the touch keyboard is somehow good and then not good. if you want 
achieve Serge TKB like functions one let alone two rows of pots will 
not do the trick. if you have two rows of pots the only musical 
function you can perform is a trill, if you clock them vertically. 
you have to ask yourself is it worth the price. so by having only two 
rows you are underachieveing, hence limiting your self. a better 
option would be to have a seperate sequencer beside the touch 
keyboard. you than make it behave the same way as the Serge TKB or 
the Buchla model 246, minus the touch plates. so you make the 
sequencer with 24 pots per row and have 4 rows. you then have below a 
control input and 3-way toggle switch for each stage, which has 3 
functions, bottom position the keyboard plate turns on that row so it 
can cycle the notes set by pots and the vertical clock. middle 
position turns vertical clock off peforms a mute for the horizontal 
clock. the top position accepts a gate or trig to cycle through the 
four vertical. you have an ABCD output and a vertical clock input. 
you have an individual output for each column. you have 4 separate 
horizontal outputs A, B, C, and D . you perform the horizontal  end 
point or reset, by having 4 ABCD buttons on the touch keyboard. press 
and hold the button down and touch a corresponding key on the touch 
key board to set the length of the sequence and presto.
this combination of two separate units working in tandem would be a 
far more realistic way of combining all the features that we are 
trying to include. that way the units on their are full featured and 
don't lose any by having every function one unit and be limited by 
space and have them cut down to accomadate all of them on one unit. 
by having them working in tandem you achieve a powerful tool for some 
serious control and manipulation. i hope someone at doepfer see the 
light on this concept.
regards,
RM



--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I don't contribute all that often; I do make the time to read as 
much as I
> can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor keyboard should 
surely be
> just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive board.  It is 
then up to
> the individual to incorporate it as they see fit.  The maq is 
cracking
> sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS and the like.  
Let doepfer
> use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.  They have the 
potential
> to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue style sequencers 
ever.  My
> main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to write patterns 
on the fly
> longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to a new pattern) 
Roland
> managed it with the TR909 and that was some time ago and until the
> schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate writing of notes on a 
pattern
> of greater than 16.
> 
> Regards
>  To all
> 
> Tris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.salter@r... [mailto:david.salter@r...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@y...
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> 
> 
> I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch 
keyboard it
> has to be fully integrated.
> 
> The point that has been made by some people, myself included is 
that it can
> be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you
> intimate).
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
>                     bakis Sirros
>                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> Doepfer_a100@y...
>                     yahoo.com>               cc:
>                                               Subject:     Re:
> [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>                     27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal 
Use Only
>                     Please respond to
>                     Doepfer_a100
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> synthfreak
> 
> --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> >
> >
> > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > good I would say that it
> > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > > it better.
> >
> >
> >
> > hello !
> > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > superior touch kybd / controller
> > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > completed, take a second look a
> > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > still visionary, even
> > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > arbitrary random function
> > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > feature-itis" ..........
> > best,
> > dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> 
> 
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well said, we need more of us to speak out in order for doepfer to 
realise it is a pressing issue. the issue of having a sequencer on 
the touch keyboard is somehow good and then not good. if you want 
achieve Serge TKB like functions one let alone two rows of pots will 
not do the trick. if you have two rows of pots the only musical 
function you can perform is a trill, if you clock them vertically. 
you have to ask yourself is it worth the price. so by having only two 
rows you are underachieveing, hence limiting your self. a better 
option would be to have a seperate sequencer beside the touch 
keyboard. you than make it behave the same way as the Serge TKB or 
the Buchla model 246, minus the touch plates. so you make the 
sequencer with 24 pots per row and have 4 rows. you then have below a 
control input and 3-way toggle switch for each stage, which has 3 
functions, bottom position the keyboard plate turns on that row so it 
can cycle the notes set by pots and the vertical clock. middle 
position turns vertical clock off peforms a mute for the horizontal 
clock. the top position accepts a gate or trig to cycle through the 
four vertical. you have an ABCD output and a vertical clock input. 
you have an individual output for each column. you have 4 separate 
horizontal outputs A, B, C, and D . you perform the horizontal  end 
point or reset, by having 4 ABCD buttons on the touch keyboard. press 
and hold the button down and touch a corresponding key on the touch 
key board to set the length of the sequence and presto.
this combination of two separate units working in tandem would be a 
far more realistic way of combining all the features that we are 
trying to include. that way the units on their are full featured and 
don't lose any by having every function one unit and be limited by 
space and have them cut down to accomadate all of them on one unit. 
by having them working in tandem you achieve a powerful tool for some 
serious control and manipulation. i hope someone at doepfer see the 
light on this concept.
regards,
RM



--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I don't contribute all that often; I do make the time to read as 
much as I
> can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor keyboard should 
surely be
> just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive board.  It is 
then up to
> the individual to incorporate it as they see fit.  The maq is 
cracking
> sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS and the like.  
Let doepfer
> use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.  They have the 
potential
> to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue style sequencers 
ever.  My
> main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to write patterns 
on the fly
> longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to a new pattern) 
Roland
> managed it with the TR909 and that was some time ago and until the
> schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate writing of notes on a 
pattern
> of greater than 16.
> 
> Regards
>  To all
> 
> Tris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.salter@r... [mailto:david.salter@r...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@y...
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> 
> 
> I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch 
keyboard it
> has to be fully integrated.
> 
> The point that has been made by some people, myself included is 
that it can
> be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you
> intimate).
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
>                     bakis Sirros
>                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> Doepfer_a100@y...
>                     yahoo.com>               cc:
>                                               Subject:     Re:
> [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>                     27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal 
Use Only
>                     Please respond to
>                     Doepfer_a100
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> synthfreak
> 
> --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> >
> >
> > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > good I would say that it
> > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > > it better.
> >
> >
> >
> > hello !
> > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > superior touch kybd / controller
> > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > completed, take a second look a
> > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > still visionary, even
> > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > arbitrary random function
> > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > feature-itis" ..........
> > best,
> > dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Glad you did voice your opionion Tris. We need more voices in here cause I
feel it if only three or four people that do write stuff and I have pretty
much nailed down what their  response post different post will be in
advance. It gets a bit dull waiting for the expected (we could use an A118
;).

Hope more people wake up, I think and hope that Doepfer benefits from a
bigger interesst rather than hide from non euphoric users.

/Andreas as always

----- Original Message -----
From: "thepeak" <thepeak@btinternet.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard


> Hi everyone,
>
> I don't contribute all that often; I do make the time to read as much as I
> can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor keyboard should surely
be
> just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive board.  It is then up
to
> the individual to incorporate it as they see fit.  The maq is cracking
> sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS and the like.  Let
doepfer
> use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.  They have the
potential
> to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue style sequencers ever.
My
> main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to write patterns on the
fly
> longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to a new pattern) Roland
> managed it with the TR909 and that was some time ago and until the
> schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate writing of notes on a pattern
> of greater than 16.
>
> Regards
>  To all
>
> Tris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.salter@reuters.com [mailto:david.salter@reuters.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>
>
> I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated into the touch keyboard
it
> has to be fully integrated.
>
> The point that has been made by some people, myself included is that it
can
> be an add on and it would have to offer more than a155 (just as you
> intimate).
>
> David
>
>
>
>                     bakis Sirros
>                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>                     yahoo.com>               cc:
>                                               Subject:     Re:
> [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>                     27/02/2002 13:47          Header:      Internal Use
Only
>                     Please respond to
>                     Doepfer_a100
>
>
>
>
>
> ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> synthfreak
>
> --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > good I would say that it
> > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > > it better.
> >
> >
> >
> > hello !
> > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > superior touch kybd / controller
> > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > completed, take a second look a
> > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > still visionary, even
> > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > arbitrary random function
> > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > feature-itis" ..........
> > best,
> > dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
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I just went thrugh the polls on the site and found that 10 people had cast
their votes on To what extent do you think Doepfer should try to fix flaws
and bugs in the product line?. 7 people say that it should be fixed in some
way, but they range from "Nothing is more important" to "It depends on the
nature of the error". Three people say either "well, you fell for the sales
talk..." or "no, don't fix anything, make new stuff". Haven't seen results
this divergent since the Swedish general elections ;)

the poll should have been more simple yes, maybe or no. that way 
people don't have to confuse themselves. kind of like the route of 
the touch seq.  having a poll about jacks and knobs, makes it 
redundant and a waste of time . i have not even voted because it's 
about apples and oranges when it should be about which apples  and 
why an orange. the point i am trying to make here , first figure out 
what the function set should be. then design it so it follows the 
function set and not the other way around. the keyboard should just 
be that, A touch keyboard. the sequencer should be just that, A 
sequencer. the  trick is to have them behave together in sync. have 
buttons on the the touch KB to control the seq. directly. if you 
could do it in one package without losing functions then all the 
power to you . let's get to point. we should be voting about the 
functions it should do. we should be dicuusing the same. not one 
person has replied or dicussed the functions i proposed in post #848, 
#860 and #881 . if these types of suggestions are way off let me  
know and i won't bother posting them. just trying to stir some ideas. 
isn't that what a group is all about. i am happy that it might get 
built. but you won't me see doing hand stands,somersaults and jumping 
for joy until it is feature rich and functions properly.
regards,
RM


--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> I just went thrugh the polls on the site and found that 10 people 
had cast
> their votes on To what extent do you think Doepfer should try to 
fix flaws
> and bugs in the product line?. 7 people say that it should be fixed 
in some
> way, but they range from "Nothing is more important" to "It depends 
on the
> nature of the error". Three people say either "well, you fell for 
the sales
> talk..." or "no, don't fix anything, make new stuff". Haven't seen 
results
> this divergent since the Swedish general elections ;)

andreas,
it's NOT my job to moderate this group,o.k.???
i do it because i like my modular.if any of you have
better answers to some of the questions asked in this
group,go ahead and write them!!!
i have many other things to do during the day...so i
hardly have the time for giving better answers.
bakis.

--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> Glad you did voice your opionion Tris. We need more
> voices in here cause I
> feel it if only three or four people that do write
> stuff and I have pretty
> much nailed down what their  response post different
> post will be in
> advance. It gets a bit dull waiting for the expected
> (we could use an A118
> ;).
> 
> Hope more people wake up, I think and hope that
> Doepfer benefits from a
> bigger interesst rather than hide from non euphoric
> users.
> 
> /Andreas as always
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thepeak" <thepeak@btinternet.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> touch keyboard
> 
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I don't contribute all that often; I do make the
> time to read as much as I
> > can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor
> keyboard should surely
> be
> > just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive
> board.  It is then up
> to
> > the individual to incorporate it as they see fit. 
> The maq is cracking
> > sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS
> and the like.  Let
> doepfer
> > use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.
>  They have the
> potential
> > to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue
> style sequencers ever.
> My
> > main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to
> write patterns on the
> fly
> > longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to
> a new pattern) Roland
> > managed it with the TR909 and that was some time
> ago and until the
> > schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate
> writing of notes on a pattern
> > of greater than 16.
> >
> > Regards
> >  To all
> >
> > Tris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: david.salter@reuters.com
> [mailto:david.salter@reuters.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> touch keyboard
> >
> >
> > I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated
> into the touch keyboard
> it
> > has to be fully integrated.
> >
> > The point that has been made by some people,
> myself included is that it
> can
> > be an add on and it would have to offer more than
> a155 (just as you
> > intimate).
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >                     bakis Sirros
> >                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> > Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >                     yahoo.com>               cc:
> >                                              
> Subject:     Re:
> > [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> >                     27/02/2002 13:47         
> Header:      Internal Use
> Only
> >                     Please respond to
> >                     Doepfer_a100
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> sequencer
> > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> the
> > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> have a
> > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > synthfreak
> >
> > --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > good I would say that it
> > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> or
> > > they should be very
> > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > several other solutions to do
> > > > it better.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello !
> > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > completed, take a second look a
> > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> something
> > > still visionary, even
> > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> multiple
> > > arbitrary random function
> > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> "creeping
> > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > best,
> > > dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
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hey RM,
you really seem to know a lot about the buchla sensor
keyboard and the serge T.K.B.!!
PLEASE,DO ME A FAVOUR:as you have so many interesting
suggestions ,create a new poll about the sensor
keyboard with more additional features that you would
like to see included(name it,poll part 3,or
something...).i would be really grateful if you do
this.
thanks.
bakis.

--- ringmod45 <ringmod45@yahoo.com> wrote:
> well said, we need more of us to speak out in order
> for doepfer to 
> realise it is a pressing issue. the issue of having
> a sequencer on 
> the touch keyboard is somehow good and then not
> good. if you want 
> achieve Serge TKB like functions one let alone two
> rows of pots will 
> not do the trick. if you have two rows of pots the
> only musical 
> function you can perform is a trill, if you clock
> them vertically. 
> you have to ask yourself is it worth the price. so
> by having only two 
> rows you are underachieveing, hence limiting your
> self. a better 
> option would be to have a seperate sequencer beside
> the touch 
> keyboard. you than make it behave the same way as
> the Serge TKB or 
> the Buchla model 246, minus the touch plates. so you
> make the 
> sequencer with 24 pots per row and have 4 rows. you
> then have below a 
> control input and 3-way toggle switch for each
> stage, which has 3 
> functions, bottom position the keyboard plate turns
> on that row so it 
> can cycle the notes set by pots and the vertical
> clock. middle 
> position turns vertical clock off peforms a mute for
> the horizontal 
> clock. the top position accepts a gate or trig to
> cycle through the 
> four vertical. you have an ABCD output and a
> vertical clock input. 
> you have an individual output for each column. you
> have 4 separate 
> horizontal outputs A, B, C, and D . you perform the
> horizontal  end 
> point or reset, by having 4 ABCD buttons on the
> touch keyboard. press 
> and hold the button down and touch a corresponding
> key on the touch 
> key board to set the length of the sequence and
> presto.
> this combination of two separate units working in
> tandem would be a 
> far more realistic way of combining all the features
> that we are 
> trying to include. that way the units on their are
> full featured and 
> don't lose any by having every function one unit and
> be limited by 
> space and have them cut down to accomadate all of
> them on one unit. 
> by having them working in tandem you achieve a
> powerful tool for some 
> serious control and manipulation. i hope someone at
> doepfer see the 
> light on this concept.
> regards,
> RM
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...>
> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I don't contribute all that often; I do make the
> time to read as 
> much as I
> > can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor
> keyboard should 
> surely be
> > just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive
> board.  It is 
> then up to
> > the individual to incorporate it as they see fit. 
> The maq is 
> cracking
> > sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS
> and the like.  
> Let doepfer
> > use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.
>  They have the 
> potential
> > to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue
> style sequencers 
> ever.  My
> > main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to
> write patterns 
> on the fly
> > longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to
> a new pattern) 
> Roland
> > managed it with the TR909 and that was some time
> ago and until the
> > schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate
> writing of notes on a 
> pattern
> > of greater than 16.
> > 
> > Regards
> >  To all
> > 
> > Tris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: david.salter@r... [mailto:david.salter@r...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> touch keyboard
> > 
> > 
> > I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated
> into the touch 
> keyboard it
> > has to be fully integrated.
> > 
> > The point that has been made by some people,
> myself included is 
> that it can
> > be an add on and it would have to offer more than
> a155 (just as you
> > intimate).
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >                     bakis Sirros
> >                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> > Doepfer_a100@y...
> >                     yahoo.com>               cc:
> >                                              
> Subject:     Re:
> > [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> >                     27/02/2002 13:47         
> Header:      Internal 
> Use Only
> >                     Please respond to
> >                     Doepfer_a100
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> sequencer
> > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> the
> > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> have a
> > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > synthfreak
> > 
> > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > good I would say that it
> > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> or
> > > they should be very
> > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > several other solutions to do
> > > > it better.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello !
> > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > completed, take a second look a
> > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> something
> > > still visionary, even
> > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> multiple
> > > arbitrary random function
> > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> "creeping
> > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > best,
> > > dave
> > >
> 
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hi bakis, no problem for the poll. it will take an hour or so to do it.
 it will be complete and precise. 
 if anyone has questions on any of the features
that i propose. i will be glad to answer any questions. 

to andreas, it gets confusing to explain functions and features 
with out drawing a block diagram. just try the best you can.
also re-read them and make mental notes as if you were learning 
something new. hope this helps. i don't want to sound  holier than thou
or preachy, but try reading the allen strange book on synthesis techniques.
it describes what i am talking about from the base of what the modules
should do and their functions. the sequencer chapter is brilliant and
 very informative  and can serve as a base for creative and complex
patches. enjoy.

cheers,
RM

- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hey RM,
> you really seem to know a lot about the buchla sensor
> keyboard and the serge T.K.B.!!
> PLEASE,DO ME A FAVOUR:as you have so many interesting
> suggestions ,create a new poll about the sensor
> keyboard with more additional features that you would
> like to see included(name it,poll part 3,or
> something...).i would be really grateful if you do
> this.
> thanks.
> bakis.
> 
> --- ringmod45 <ringmod45@y...> wrote:
> > well said, we need more of us to speak out in order
> > for doepfer to 
> > realise it is a pressing issue. the issue of having
> > a sequencer on 
> > the touch keyboard is somehow good and then not
> > good. if you want 
> > achieve Serge TKB like functions one let alone two
> > rows of pots will 
> > not do the trick. if you have two rows of pots the
> > only musical 
> > function you can perform is a trill, if you clock
> > them vertically. 
> > you have to ask yourself is it worth the price. so
> > by having only two 
> > rows you are underachieveing, hence limiting your
> > self. a better 
> > option would be to have a seperate sequencer beside
> > the touch 
> > keyboard. you than make it behave the same way as
> > the Serge TKB or 
> > the Buchla model 246, minus the touch plates. so you
> > make the 
> > sequencer with 24 pots per row and have 4 rows. you
> > then have below a 
> > control input and 3-way toggle switch for each
> > stage, which has 3 
> > functions, bottom position the keyboard plate turns
> > on that row so it 
> > can cycle the notes set by pots and the vertical
> > clock. middle 
> > position turns vertical clock off peforms a mute for
> > the horizontal 
> > clock. the top position accepts a gate or trig to
> > cycle through the 
> > four vertical. you have an ABCD output and a
> > vertical clock input. 
> > you have an individual output for each column. you
> > have 4 separate 
> > horizontal outputs A, B, C, and D . you perform the
> > horizontal  end 
> > point or reset, by having 4 ABCD buttons on the
> > touch keyboard. press 
> > and hold the button down and touch a corresponding
> > key on the touch 
> > key board to set the length of the sequence and
> > presto.
> > this combination of two separate units working in
> > tandem would be a 
> > far more realistic way of combining all the features
> > that we are 
> > trying to include. that way the units on their are
> > full featured and 
> > don't lose any by having every function one unit and
> > be limited by 
> > space and have them cut down to accomadate all of
> > them on one unit. 
> > by having them working in tandem you achieve a
> > powerful tool for some 
> > serious control and manipulation. i hope someone at
> > doepfer see the 
> > light on this concept.
> > regards,
> > RM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > 
> > > I don't contribute all that often; I do make the
> > time to read as 
> > much as I
> > > can with regards to this group.  The touch sensor
> > keyboard should 
> > surely be
> > > just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive
> > board.  It is 
> > then up to
> > > the individual to incorporate it as they see fit. 
> > The maq is 
> > cracking
> > > sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS
> > and the like.  
> > Let doepfer
> > > use the time to improve the ******werk sequencers.
> >  They have the 
> > potential
> > > to be the most elaborate of all hardware/analogue
> > style sequencers 
> > ever.  My
> > > main gripe with the schaltwerk is the inability to
> > write patterns 
> > on the fly
> > > longer than 16 notes.  (Without pasting it over to
> > a new pattern) 
> > Roland
> > > managed it with the TR909 and that was some time
> > ago and until the
> > > schaltwerk is capable of achieving immediate
> > writing of notes on a 
> > pattern
> > > of greater than 16.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > >  To all
> > > 
> > > Tris
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: david.salter@r... [mailto:david.salter@r...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:11 PM
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> > touch keyboard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I agree that if a sequencer is to be incorporated
> > into the touch 
> > keyboard it
> > > has to be fully integrated.
> > > 
> > > The point that has been made by some people,
> > myself included is 
> > that it can
> > > be an add on and it would have to offer more than
> > a155 (just as you
> > > intimate).
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                     bakis Sirros
> > >                     <synth_freak_2000@       To:
> > > Doepfer_a100@y...
> > >                     yahoo.com>               cc:
> > >                                              
> > Subject:     Re:
> > > [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> > >                     27/02/2002 13:47         
> > Header:      Internal 
> > Use Only
> > >                     Please respond to
> > >                     Doepfer_a100
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > sequencer
> > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> > the
> > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> > have a
> > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > synthfreak
> > > 
> > > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> > or
> > > > they should be very
> > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > it better.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hello !
> > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> > something
> > > > still visionary, even
> > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> > multiple
> > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> > "creeping
> > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > best,
> > > > dave
> > > >
> > 
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Ohh, I do have a few books, but with no seqencer at all (regelwerk included
in the count of nothing) I don't have anything to try things out on. What I
like about modulars is the fact that you can read a thing, then go and test
it. It is first when I test it it gets obvious how it works for me. So I
might not be your fault at all, just the fact that I have too little
interesst in the features of the TKB as a whole or I just don't understand.
So rather that saying something about something I don't fully understand I
don't say anything, ok?

/Andreas

> to andreas, it gets confusing to explain functions and features
> with out drawing a block diagram. just try the best you can.
> also re-read them and make mental notes as if you were learning
> something new. hope this helps. i don't want to sound  holier than thou
> or preachy, but try reading the allen strange book on synthesis
techniques.

> it describes what i am talking about from the base of what the modules
> should do and their functions. the sequencer chapter is brilliant and
>  very informative  and can serve as a base for creative and complex
> patches. enjoy.
>
> cheers,
> RM
>

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "thepeak" <thepeak@b...> wrote:
> The touch sensor keyboard should surely be
> just that.  No sequencer, simply a touch sensitive board.  It is
then up to
> the individual to incorporate it as they see fit.  The maq is
cracking
> sequencer, as is the a155, as I understand are AS and the like. 

I agree 100% with this sentiment.  Sequencers are available all over
the place, but what I (at least) really need is a basic, flexible
controller for actually playing the Doepfer like an instrument. 

I would go further, that I would strongly prefer the "keyboard" not
to have any visual/design reference to a piano-type keyboard.  This was Buchla's
great insight, that his 'electric music box' is a whole new kind of
instrument and can be approached in a new way.  And after all, no one
will be playing this thing like a tuned keyboard anyway (at least I know I won't), so why use
that ancient design?  I hope that Dieter Doepfer will reconsider this
design element and offer us a simple, beautiful, innovative, yet
basic, controller.

Ernst