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hello list,
just wanted to metnion that two days ago i receivedf
my euro version Zeroscillator(ZO) and it really sounds
fantastic!
it has a VERY rich tone and lots of different timbral
modulation capabilities.
Cyndustries had, at first, some problems with making
their initial batch of ZO's to fit correctly into the
doepfer rack, but they have now fixed all these issues
and their euro ZO's fit totally perfect to a doepfer
eurorack!
no need to say that the Cyndustries ZO is totally
recommended!!!
regards,
Bakis.




Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
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On 7/12/06 9:50 AM, "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> hello list,
> just wanted to metnion that two days ago i receivedf
> my euro version Zeroscillator(ZO) and it really sounds
> fantastic!
> it has a VERY rich tone and lots of different timbral
> modulation capabilities.


Hi Bakis,
how does it sound compared to the m15?
It's seems very tempting, but I love the PlanB m15, and the ZeroOsc only
really sounds tempting to me if I could have 2 or 3, then of course, no
brainer. 
The m15 just has such a rich character and 2.5 would cost about as much.
That's a stupid way to judge but a lot more can be done with 2 VCOs than
just one, especially for both of these.
thanks!
-phil

> Hi Bakis,
> how does it sound compared to the m15?
> It's seems very tempting, but I love the PlanB m15, and the ZeroOsc 
only
> really sounds tempting to me if I could have 2 or 3, then of 
course, no
> brainer. 
> The m15 just has such a rich character and 2.5 would cost about as 
much.
> That's a stupid way to judge but a lot more can be done with 2 VCOs 
than
> just one, especially for both of these.
> thanks!
> -phil
>


hello phil,

i didn't have the time for real in-depth comparison yet,
but to my ears the model15 and zeroscillator sound
quite different. the possible amount of linear fm
seems to be greater on the zeroscillator, so it can
produce a wider range of sounds. the fm performance
is really outstanding on the zeroscillator, i have
never heard anything like it before.

ok, the zeroscillator is quite expensive, but it is
also an exceptionally massive piece of hardware
(you'll see that on the photos).

here are two shots of the unit which now belongs
to axel jungkunst.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/cyndustriesfiles/zero-euro-1.jpg
http://www.selfoscillate.de/cyndustriesfiles/zero-euro-2.jpg


and here are two shots of my own unit in fracrack format.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/cyndustriesfiles/zero-frac-1.jpg
http://www.selfoscillate.de/cyndustriesfiles/zero-frac-2.jpg


unfortunately i'm quite busy in the studio, so it
will take a while before i can do some sound examples.

best wishes

ingo

hello phil,
well, this is not an easy question...
the ZO is my most expensive VCO. it is even more
expensive than my technosaurus OSHO's.
so, for the price you pay, you do get an awesome
sounding VCO indeed! it has a really special sound
unlike any other vco i have heard!
the plan B model 15 is much much cheaper. still, the
model 15 has its very own special sound and this also
is worth its money for sure.
my suggestion for you?
if you can, buy one ZO and one model 15.
best regards,
Bakis.




--- "p.hendricks" <ph@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 7/12/06 9:50 AM, "Bakis Sirros"
> <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > hello list,
> > just wanted to metnion that two days ago i
> receivedf
> > my euro version Zeroscillator(ZO) and it really
> sounds
> > fantastic!
> > it has a VERY rich tone and lots of different
> timbral
> > modulation capabilities.
> 
> 
> Hi Bakis,
> how does it sound compared to the m15?
> It's seems very tempting, but I love the PlanB m15,
> and the ZeroOsc only
> really sounds tempting to me if I could have 2 or 3,
> then of course, no
> brainer. 
> The m15 just has such a rich character and 2.5 would
> cost about as much.
> That's a stupid way to judge but a lot more can be
> done with 2 VCOs than
> just one, especially for both of these.
> thanks!
> -phil
> 
> 
> 


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http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
<synaptic_music@...> wrote:

> 
> i didn't have the time for real in-depth comparison yet,
> but to my ears the model15 and zeroscillator sound
> quite different. the possible amount of linear fm
> seems to be greater on the zeroscillator, so it can
> produce a wider range of sounds. the fm performance
> is really outstanding on the zeroscillator, i have
> never heard anything like it before.
> 



hi.  pardon me for resuscitating an older topic.  lately i've been
pondering incorporating more "fm" type possibilities into my doepfer
suitcase synth.

would anyone on the list mind detailing the high/low points of the
doepfer high end vco, the plan b model 15 and the zeroscillator?

it is easy to see how the ZO is very crazy and flexible, but it is not
immediately obvious to me what features the plan b m15 offers over the
a111, other than the morph, and since the morph is vactrol controlled,
i conclude that it is therefore not possible use audio signals to
morph wave forms.  i don't doubt the many fans of this oscillator, but
what is the big deal? 

what is the lowest frequency available on the m15 and the a111?

it is saddening somewhat that the ZO just went up again in cost.  it
would most likely take up too much room in my small synth too.

thx in advance for anyone who contributes info ----- - - - -

tom

thomasborax wrote:

> what is the lowest frequency available on the m15 and the a111?

My Model 15 barely went into sub-audio range via the panel, but I didn't 
  keep it long enough to try if it went any slower using CV because I 
returned it due to a broken wave-morph section. A111 gives a nice 
vibrato-type setting with the range switches, but I find that even with 
CV control it really doesn't much below what is selectable on the panel.

You can always stick two waveforms into a panner module and get VC wave 
morph.

Does anyone's A111 have an odd pulse width pot like mine? I'm used to 
sweeping the width using the full range of the pot, but it only seems to 
work between 10 and 4 o'clock dial positions.

I have 2 M15s.. from the panel their range is 3.2Hz-20KHz, lower via CV.

They sound great to me.. 

I use the morph more for manually crossfading oscillators - very
convenient because it puts 3 out of the 4 available waveforms useable
from one output, aside from the individual outs for each.

The sync was described as somewhere between soft and hard sync, and I
really like the way it sounds... a rough beating sound when the VCOs
are tuned in between harmonics and the sync is grabbing for a stable
spot - nice.

From what I understand, the M15 has exponential FM input.. vs. the
linear FM of the Zeroscillator. But then, I haven't heard the ZO to
compare how the different FMs behave (someone care to explain??)

-Bryan

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "thomasborax" <thomasborax@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
> <synaptic_music@> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > i didn't have the time for real in-depth comparison yet,
> > but to my ears the model15 and zeroscillator sound
> > quite different. the possible amount of linear fm
> > seems to be greater on the zeroscillator, so it can
> > produce a wider range of sounds. the fm performance
> > is really outstanding on the zeroscillator, i have
> > never heard anything like it before.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> hi.  pardon me for resuscitating an older topic.  lately i've been
> pondering incorporating more "fm" type possibilities into my doepfer
> suitcase synth.
> 
> would anyone on the list mind detailing the high/low points of the
> doepfer high end vco, the plan b model 15 and the zeroscillator?
> 
> it is easy to see how the ZO is very crazy and flexible, but it is not
> immediately obvious to me what features the plan b m15 offers over the
> a111, other than the morph, and since the morph is vactrol controlled,
> i conclude that it is therefore not possible use audio signals to
> morph wave forms.  i don't doubt the many fans of this oscillator, but
> what is the big deal? 
> 
> what is the lowest frequency available on the m15 and the a111?
> 
> it is saddening somewhat that the ZO just went up again in cost.  it
> would most likely take up too much room in my small synth too.
> 
> thx in advance for anyone who contributes info ----- - - - -
> 
> tom
>

I have the Model 15 and the Zeroscillator.  Both are excellent at what they do.  The ZO 
produces everything you could want and more in the FM department and also works great 
as an LFO with the quaderature outputs.  
The M15 is my favourite oscillator.  All the waveforms sound very rich and animated, the 
stability is excellent. I love the sound of the sync and FM and the morph function is just 
the icing on the cake.  I just wish I had another three of them.  I feel the M15 is better 
value for money and certainly scores very highly in the fat department.  
If FM is what you're after I'd certainly recommend the ZO.  
Both oscillators do way more than the printed specs would suggest.

Thighp



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "untiedstates" <untiedstates@...> wrote:

>
> I have 2 M15s.. from the panel their range is 3.2Hz-20KHz, lower via CV.
> 
> They sound great to me.. 
> 
> I use the morph more for manually crossfading oscillators - very
> convenient because it puts 3 out of the 4 available waveforms useable
> from one output, aside from the individual outs for each.
> 
> The sync was described as somewhere between soft and hard sync, and I
> really like the way it sounds... a rough beating sound when the VCOs
> are tuned in between harmonics and the sync is grabbing for a stable
> spot - nice.
> 
> From what I understand, the M15 has exponential FM input.. vs. the
> linear FM of the Zeroscillator. But then, I haven't heard the ZO to
> compare how the different FMs behave (someone care to explain??)
> 
> -Bryan
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "thomasborax" <thomasborax@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate"
> > <synaptic_music@> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > i didn't have the time for real in-depth comparison yet,
> > > but to my ears the model15 and zeroscillator sound
> > > quite different. the possible amount of linear fm
> > > seems to be greater on the zeroscillator, so it can
> > > produce a wider range of sounds. the fm performance
> > > is really outstanding on the zeroscillator, i have
> > > never heard anything like it before.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > hi.  pardon me for resuscitating an older topic.  lately i've been
> > pondering incorporating more "fm" type possibilities into my doepfer
> > suitcase synth.
> > 
> > would anyone on the list mind detailing the high/low points of the
> > doepfer high end vco, the plan b model 15 and the zeroscillator?
> > 
> > it is easy to see how the ZO is very crazy and flexible, but it is not
> > immediately obvious to me what features the plan b m15 offers over the
> > a111, other than the morph, and since the morph is vactrol controlled,
> > i conclude that it is therefore not possible use audio signals to
> > morph wave forms.  i don't doubt the many fans of this oscillator, but
> > what is the big deal? 
> > 
> > what is the lowest frequency available on the m15 and the a111?
> > 
> > it is saddening somewhat that the ZO just went up again in cost.  it
> > would most likely take up too much room in my small synth too.
> > 
> > thx in advance for anyone who contributes info ----- - - - -
> > 
> > tom
> >
>

> would anyone on the list mind detailing the high/low points of the
> doepfer high end vco, the plan b model 15 and the zeroscillator?


for me the a111 is the most easiest vco to use.
there is no need to carefully adjust anything,
and retuning is not necessary most of the time
because of the handy octave switch.
i also like the tracking, which is really good.

the model 15 also has good tracking. the waveforms
sound just sweet, i love especially the sinewave.
it also has a very nice sounding fm.
good value for the money.

the zeroscillator is one hell of a vco.
it has outstanding fm performance.
it does that so well that i'm rarely using it
for other things than linear fm.

best wishes

ingo

> Does anyone's A111 have an odd pulse width pot like mine? I'm used to 
> sweeping the width using the full range of the pot, but it only seems 
to 
> work between 10 and 4 o'clock dial positions.


you are talking about the a111 or the model 15?
i have never heard of such problems with an a111,
but the model 15 is known to have a narrow range
for the pwm pot. from what i understand it is
normal operation of the model 15.

best wishes

ingo

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Jay <groups@...> wrote:
>
> selfoscillate wrote:
> 
> > you are talking about the a111 or the model 15?
> 
> A111.
>


my a111's do not show the behaviour you described.
maybe your a111 needs some re-calibration.

your a111 always had that pw pot behaviour,
since you bought it?

best wishes

ingo

selfoscillate wrote:

> you are talking about the a111 or the model 15?

A111.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Jay <groups@...> wrote:
>
> selfoscillate wrote:
> 
> > your a111 always had that pw pot behaviour,
> > since you bought it?
> 
> Well, I just bought it brand new a couple of weeks ago. Don't have a 
> service manual for it, so I have no idea what to fix on it.
>


dieter, maybe you can give us a suggestion?

thanks :-)

ingo

selfoscillate wrote:

> your a111 always had that pw pot behaviour,
> since you bought it?

Well, I just bought it brand new a couple of weeks ago. Don't have a 
service manual for it, so I have no idea what to fix on it.

> Well, I just bought it brand new a couple of weeks ago. Don't have a
> service manual for it, so I have no idea what to fix on it.

You should send it back as it is still under warranty.

You may even contact Matthias Marass (keyboards@doepfer.de). He is the man
who is responsible for the final test and repair of the A-111. Maybe he has
an idea how to fix the problem without sending the module back.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer