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A-188-2

2007-05-05 by patate_le_mage

Hello everybody,
my english is not very good but i try to explain my problems.
when i use the A-188-2, if i try to use the delay knob in his first
half, all the output give a high  frequency ( depend on the delay )
sound and i can't suppress it without going thru a LP-VCF wich
drastically modify my sound, A notch filter does'nt supress it because
it's not a sinus sound. Is this sound the clock sound wich is describe
in the module's presentation ?
My second problem is when i try to use the clock in : what kind of
signal have i to put in, is it only to chain BBD modules ?
Third, i haven't really understood the use of the CV out on this
module : what exactly is going out.
thanks for your answer.

Patrick Maurel

Re: A-188-2

2007-05-05 by patate_le_mage

thank you,
so you confirm it is the clock noise.
in the text they sayed :  e.g. to
control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
equipped
with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
so it is possible to supress this clock noise, do you know how i can do
? Is there a specific module wich permit to avoid this clock noise?
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "P. Hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
>
> you may want to read the description of the module, everything you
state
> seems normal for 188 modules, that's how they were designed:
>
> from: http://www.doepfer.de/A1882.htm
>
> The A-188-2 uses the same high speed VCO (HSVCO) for the BBD clock as
the
> A-188-1. The clock and consequently the delay time can be controlled
> manually (delay control) and by the two control voltage inputs CV1 and
CV2.
> The sensitivity of CV1 is approximately 1V/oct. CV2 is equipped with a
> polarizer (the new type of potentiometers with center detent too). The
HSVCO
> has a clock output available that is normalled to the clock input
socket.
> These sockets can be used to link different BBD modules and to run
them with
> the same clock. But even other applications with frequency dividers
(e.g.
> A-163) or PLL (e.g. A-196) are conceivable. A voltage composed of the
manual
> delay control, CV1 and CV2 is available at the CV out socket, e.g. to
> control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
equipped
> with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
>
> Important note (especially for A-188-1 users): The A-188-1 uses single
BBD
> circuits, which can be adjusted to minimize the clock noise as the
outputs
> of the used BBD circuits are symmetrical (for details please refer to
> A1881_adjustment.pdf, trimming potentiometer P10). By way of contrast
the
> BBD circuit used in the A-188-2 (MN3011) has six asymmetrical outputs
that
> cannot be adjusted to minimize the clock noise. In addition the clock
noise
> of the six outputs adds up. From there the clock noise of the A-188-2
is
> more intense than of the A-188-1. This is caused by the properties of
the
> MN3011 but not a mistake of the module ! If you feel that the clock
noise is
> too much you have the right to return the unused module within 14 days
(i.e.
> the module has no scratches or prints, e.g. from srewing into the
frame).
> On 5/5/07 12:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" patate.pat@... wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> > my english is not very good but i try to explain my problems.
> > when i use the A-188-2, if i try to use the delay knob in his first
> > half, all the output give a high  frequency ( depend on the delay )
> > sound and i can't suppress it without going thru a LP-VCF wich
> > drastically modify my sound, A notch filter does'nt supress it
because
> > it's not a sinus sound. Is this sound the clock sound wich is
describe
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > in the module's presentation ?
> > My second problem is when i try to use the clock in : what kind of
> > signal have i to put in, is it only to chain BBD modules ?
> > Third, i haven't really understood the use of the CV out on this
> > module : what exactly is going out.
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > Patrick Maurel
>

Re: A-188-2

2007-05-05 by patate_le_mage

Thank very much.
I try with an A-120 VCF1 and it's Effective.
Now i can feel the power of the A188-2. Very big sound ....
Perhaps it will be better with a 48db per oct filter.
But i don't have it.
Patrick
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "P. Hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
>
> You will need to send it to a filter or/and use the lower delay
settings,
> this is what all analog delays do(you just don't have control over it
> normally)
>  I believe Doepfer has a dual version of a switched cap filter in the
works
> to compliment the 188 modules:
> http://www.doepfer.de/A100_SCF.htm
> but the advantage to the open design is you can use any filter you
want or
> none.
> i love the 188-2 and the other 188 modules, some crazy sounds can be
had.
> best,
> phil
>
>
> On 5/5/07 2:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" patate.pat@... wrote:
>
> > thank you,
> > so you confirm it is the clock noise.
> > in the text they sayed :  e.g. to
> > control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
> > equipped
> > with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
> > so it is possible to supress this clock noise, do you know how i can
do
> > ? Is there a specific module wich permit to avoid this clock noise?
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "P. Hendricks" ph@ wrote:
> >>
> >> you may want to read the description of the module, everything you
> > state
> >> seems normal for 188 modules, that's how they were designed:
> >>
> >> from: http://www.doepfer.de/A1882.htm
> >>
> >> The A-188-2 uses the same high speed VCO (HSVCO) for the BBD clock
as
> > the
> >> A-188-1. The clock and consequently the delay time can be
controlled
> >> manually (delay control) and by the two control voltage inputs CV1
and
> > CV2.
> >> The sensitivity of CV1 is approximately 1V/oct. CV2 is equipped
with a
> >> polarizer (the new type of potentiometers with center detent too).
The
> > HSVCO
> >> has a clock output available that is normalled to the clock input
> > socket.
> >> These sockets can be used to link different BBD modules and to run
> > them with
> >> the same clock. But even other applications with frequency dividers
> > (e.g.
> >> A-163) or PLL (e.g. A-196) are conceivable. A voltage composed of
the
> > manual
> >> delay control, CV1 and CV2 is available at the CV out socket, e.g.
to
> >> control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
> > equipped
> >> with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
> >>
> >> Important note (especially for A-188-1 users): The A-188-1 uses
single
> > BBD
> >> circuits, which can be adjusted to minimize the clock noise as the
> > outputs
> >> of the used BBD circuits are symmetrical (for details please refer
to
> >> A1881_adjustment.pdf, trimming potentiometer P10). By way of
contrast
> > the
> >> BBD circuit used in the A-188-2 (MN3011) has six asymmetrical
outputs
> > that
> >> cannot be adjusted to minimize the clock noise. In addition the
clock
> > noise
> >> of the six outputs adds up. From there the clock noise of the
A-188-2
> > is
> >> more intense than of the A-188-1. This is caused by the properties
of
> > the
> >> MN3011 but not a mistake of the module ! If you feel that the clock
> > noise is
> >> too much you have the right to return the unused module within 14
days
> > (i.e.
> >> the module has no scratches or prints, e.g. from srewing into the
> > frame).
> >> On 5/5/07 12:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" patate.pat@ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello everybody,
> >>> my english is not very good but i try to explain my problems.
> >>> when i use the A-188-2, if i try to use the delay knob in his
first
> >>> half, all the output give a high  frequency ( depend on the delay
)
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >>> sound and i can't suppress it without going thru a LP-VCF wich
> >>> drastically modify my sound, A notch filter does'nt supress it
> > because
> >>> it's not a sinus sound. Is this sound the clock sound wich is
> > describe
> >>> in the module's presentation ?
> >>> My second problem is when i try to use the clock in : what kind of
> >>> signal have i to put in, is it only to chain BBD modules ?
> >>> Third, i haven't really understood the use of the CV out on this
> >>> module : what exactly is going out.
> >>> thanks for your answer.
> >>>
> >>> Patrick Maurel
> >>
> >
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-188-2

2007-05-05 by P. Hendricks

you may want to read the description of the module, everything you state
seems normal for 188 modules, that's how they were designed:

from: http://www.doepfer.de/A1882.htm

The A-188-2 uses the same high speed VCO (HSVCO) for the BBD clock as the
A-188-1. The clock and consequently the delay time can be controlled
manually (delay control) and by the two control voltage inputs CV1 and CV2.
The sensitivity of CV1 is approximately 1V/oct. CV2 is equipped with a
polarizer (the new type of potentiometers with center detent too). The HSVCO
has a clock output available that is normalled to the clock input socket.
These sockets can be used to link different BBD modules and to run them with
the same clock. But even other applications with frequency dividers (e.g.
A-163) or PLL (e.g. A-196) are conceivable. A voltage composed of the manual
delay control, CV1 and CV2 is available at the CV out socket, e.g. to
control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not equipped
with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).

Important note (especially for A-188-1 users): The A-188-1 uses single BBD
circuits, which can be adjusted to minimize the clock noise as the outputs
of the used BBD circuits are symmetrical (for details please refer to
A1881_adjustment.pdf, trimming potentiometer P10). By way of contrast the
BBD circuit used in the A-188-2 (MN3011) has six asymmetrical outputs that
cannot be adjusted to minimize the clock noise. In addition the clock noise
of the six outputs adds up. From there the clock noise of the A-188-2 is
more intense than of the A-188-1. This is caused by the properties of the
MN3011 but not a mistake of the module ! If you feel that the clock noise is
too much you have the right to return the unused module within 14 days (i.e.
the module has no scratches or prints, e.g. from srewing into the frame).
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 5/5/07 12:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" <patate.pat@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> my english is not very good but i try to explain my problems.
> when i use the A-188-2, if i try to use the delay knob in his first
> half, all the output give a high  frequency ( depend on the delay )
> sound and i can't suppress it without going thru a LP-VCF wich
> drastically modify my sound, A notch filter does'nt supress it because
> it's not a sinus sound. Is this sound the clock sound wich is describe
> in the module's presentation ?
> My second problem is when i try to use the clock in : what kind of
> signal have i to put in, is it only to chain BBD modules ?
> Third, i haven't really understood the use of the CV out on this
> module : what exactly is going out.
> thanks for your answer.
> 
> Patrick Maurel

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-188-2

2007-05-05 by P. Hendricks

You will need to send it to a filter or/and use the lower delay settings,
this is what all analog delays do(you just don't have control over it
normally)
 I believe Doepfer has a dual version of a switched cap filter in the works
to compliment the 188 modules:
http://www.doepfer.de/A100_SCF.htm
but the advantage to the open design is you can use any filter you want or
none.
i love the 188-2 and the other 188 modules, some crazy sounds can be had.
best,
phil
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 5/5/07 2:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" <patate.pat@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> thank you,
> so you confirm it is the clock noise.
> in the text they sayed :  e.g. to
> control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
> equipped
> with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
> so it is possible to supress this clock noise, do you know how i can do
> ? Is there a specific module wich permit to avoid this clock noise?
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "P. Hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
>> 
>> you may want to read the description of the module, everything you
> state
>> seems normal for 188 modules, that's how they were designed:
>> 
>> from: http://www.doepfer.de/A1882.htm
>> 
>> The A-188-2 uses the same high speed VCO (HSVCO) for the BBD clock as
> the
>> A-188-1. The clock and consequently the delay time can be controlled
>> manually (delay control) and by the two control voltage inputs CV1 and
> CV2.
>> The sensitivity of CV1 is approximately 1V/oct. CV2 is equipped with a
>> polarizer (the new type of potentiometers with center detent too). The
> HSVCO
>> has a clock output available that is normalled to the clock input
> socket.
>> These sockets can be used to link different BBD modules and to run
> them with
>> the same clock. But even other applications with frequency dividers
> (e.g.
>> A-163) or PLL (e.g. A-196) are conceivable. A voltage composed of the
> manual
>> delay control, CV1 and CV2 is available at the CV out socket, e.g. to
>> control an external clock suppression filter as the A-188-2 is not
> equipped
>> with such a filter (same as for the A-188-1).
>> 
>> Important note (especially for A-188-1 users): The A-188-1 uses single
> BBD
>> circuits, which can be adjusted to minimize the clock noise as the
> outputs
>> of the used BBD circuits are symmetrical (for details please refer to
>> A1881_adjustment.pdf, trimming potentiometer P10). By way of contrast
> the
>> BBD circuit used in the A-188-2 (MN3011) has six asymmetrical outputs
> that
>> cannot be adjusted to minimize the clock noise. In addition the clock
> noise
>> of the six outputs adds up. From there the clock noise of the A-188-2
> is
>> more intense than of the A-188-1. This is caused by the properties of
> the
>> MN3011 but not a mistake of the module ! If you feel that the clock
> noise is
>> too much you have the right to return the unused module within 14 days
> (i.e.
>> the module has no scratches or prints, e.g. from srewing into the
> frame).
>> On 5/5/07 12:51 PM, "patate_le_mage" patate.pat@... wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody,
>>> my english is not very good but i try to explain my problems.
>>> when i use the A-188-2, if i try to use the delay knob in his first
>>> half, all the output give a high  frequency ( depend on the delay )
>>> sound and i can't suppress it without going thru a LP-VCF wich
>>> drastically modify my sound, A notch filter does'nt supress it
> because
>>> it's not a sinus sound. Is this sound the clock sound wich is
> describe
>>> in the module's presentation ?
>>> My second problem is when i try to use the clock in : what kind of
>>> signal have i to put in, is it only to chain BBD modules ?
>>> Third, i haven't really understood the use of the CV out on this
>>> module : what exactly is going out.
>>> thanks for your answer.
>>> 
>>> Patrick Maurel
>> 
>

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