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A199 in a suitcase

2007-11-20 by pfichoux

I was disappointed by the strong A199 hum noise in my brand new Doepfer
A100 suitcase.


Perhaps I didn't care enough about Doepfer's home page warning :

"The spring reverb system is connected to the A-199 module via 2 cables
with RCA phono connectors. As the reverb system is very sensitive to
magnetic fields it has to be placed in a big distance from the
transformer of the A-100 power supply - privileged in the left upper
corner of the A-100 frame. The reverb system is mounted with screws and
nuts or double-faced self-adhesive tape. There has to be sufficient
space for the reverb system (about 20 x 7 x 5 cm).

For frames that include the A-199 we recommend the usage of the new
power supply PSU2. PSU2 has much less magnetic radiation (because of the
ring core transformer) that may cause hum noise in the A-199."


Nevertheless, I began to find another position for the A199 reverb
spring.

Now it is mounted inside the suitcase, on the top/handle side of the
suitcase, open side of the spring reverb unit upwards, with double-faced
adhesive tape.


Hum noise used to appear with a mix at 8 (9 o clock : almost dry
effect), now I can work easily with a mix at 5:5 (12 o clock).


Someday I'll try to build a full shield around the spring unit, but I'm
already completely satisfied of my brand new A100 suitcase.


Cheers,

Pierre


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A199 in a suitcase

2007-11-21 by Florian Anwander

Hi

if the suitcase has an old-style transformer (rectangular) it might make 
sense to mount the spring not in a parallel direction to the frame. You 
may have to try a satisfying position by testing. Also you should obey, 
that not only the transformer will cause some hum. Also (neon or 
halogene) lights, powercables or wallwarts outside the doepfer case may 
induce the hum to the coils of the springreverb.

Florian

pfichoux wrote:

> I was disappointed by the strong A199 hum noise in my brand new Doepfer
> A100 suitcase.
> 
> 
> Perhaps I didn't care enough about Doepfer's home page warning :
> 
> "The spring reverb system is connected to the A-199 module via 2 cables
> with RCA phono connectors. As the reverb system is very sensitive to
> magnetic fields it has to be placed in a big distance from the
> transformer of the A-100 power supply - privileged in the left upper
> corner of the A-100 frame. The reverb system is mounted with screws and
> nuts or double-faced self-adhesive tape. There has to be sufficient
> space for the reverb system (about 20 x 7 x 5 cm).
> 
> For frames that include the A-199 we recommend the usage of the new
> power supply PSU2. PSU2 has much less magnetic radiation (because of the
> ring core transformer) that may cause hum noise in the A-199."
> 
> 
> Nevertheless, I began to find another position for the A199 reverb
> spring.
> 
> Now it is mounted inside the suitcase, on the top/handle side of the
> suitcase, open side of the spring reverb unit upwards, with double-faced
> adhesive tape.
> 
> 
> Hum noise used to appear with a mix at 8 (9 o clock : almost dry
> effect), now I can work easily with a mix at 5:5 (12 o clock).
> 
> 
> Someday I'll try to build a full shield around the spring unit, but I'm
> already completely satisfied of my brand new A100 suitcase.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Pierre
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Florian Anwander                  |ConSol
Tel.   +49(89)45841-133           |Consulting&Solutions Software GmbH
Fax    +49(89)45841-111           |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669 München
email: florian.anwander@consol.de |http://www.consol.de

Re: A199 in a suitcase

2007-11-23 by pfichoux

Looks like the power supply is new-style.

Furthermore, there is not enough space to mount the spring not in 
parallel to the frame.

I'm now thinking to a ground problem : I tried with the springs unit
outside the suitcase : noise changes when I touch the RCA cable
anywhere between the module and the springs unit.

Perhaps a solenoid would filter 50Hz ?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
<Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
> if the suitcase has an old-style transformer (rectangular) it might
make 
> sense to mount the spring not in a parallel direction to the frame. You 
> may have to try a satisfying position by testing. Also you should obey, 
> that not only the transformer will cause some hum. Also (neon or 
> halogene) lights, powercables or wallwarts outside the doepfer case may 
> induce the hum to the coils of the springreverb.
> 
> Florian
> 
> pfichoux wrote:
> 
> > I was disappointed by the strong A199 hum noise in my brand new
Doepfer
> > A100 suitcase.
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps I didn't care enough about Doepfer's home page warning :
> > 
> > "The spring reverb system is connected to the A-199 module via 2
cables
> > with RCA phono connectors. As the reverb system is very sensitive to
> > magnetic fields it has to be placed in a big distance from the
> > transformer of the A-100 power supply - privileged in the left upper
> > corner of the A-100 frame. The reverb system is mounted with
screws and
> > nuts or double-faced self-adhesive tape. There has to be sufficient
> > space for the reverb system (about 20 x 7 x 5 cm).
> > 
> > For frames that include the A-199 we recommend the usage of the new
> > power supply PSU2. PSU2 has much less magnetic radiation (because
of the
> > ring core transformer) that may cause hum noise in the A-199."
> > 
> > 
> > Nevertheless, I began to find another position for the A199 reverb
> > spring.
> > 
> > Now it is mounted inside the suitcase, on the top/handle side of the
> > suitcase, open side of the spring reverb unit upwards, with
double-faced
> > adhesive tape.
> > 
> > 
> > Hum noise used to appear with a mix at 8 (9 o clock : almost dry
> > effect), now I can work easily with a mix at 5:5 (12 o clock).
> > 
> > 
> > Someday I'll try to build a full shield around the spring unit,
but I'm
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> > already completely satisfied of my brand new A100 suitcase.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Pierre
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Florian Anwander                  |ConSol
> Tel.   +49(89)45841-133           |Consulting&Solutions Software GmbH
> Fax    +49(89)45841-111           |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669 München
> email: florian.anwander@... |http://www.consol.de
>

Re: A199 in a suitcase

2007-11-23 by pfichoux

Yahoo !


I got it : ferrite.


I replaced the long RCA cable by a shorter one thru a ferrite ... and
it works better than well : terrificaly well.

Hum noise almost desappeared : I reach distortion before I can ear it.


Summary :

1/ change springs unit position
2/ replace RCA cable by a shorter one thru a ferrite


NB : I took my ferrite appart from a no longer used hard drive power cord.


Cheeerrs 'o'


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "pfichoux" <pfichoux@...> wrote:
>
> Looks like the power supply is new-style.
> 
> Furthermore, there is not enough space to mount the spring not in 
> parallel to the frame.
> 
> I'm now thinking to a ground problem : I tried with the springs unit
> outside the suitcase : noise changes when I touch the RCA cable
> anywhere between the module and the springs unit.
> 
> Perhaps a solenoid would filter 50Hz ?
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
> <Florian.Anwander@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > 
> > if the suitcase has an old-style transformer (rectangular) it might
> make 
> > sense to mount the spring not in a parallel direction to the
frame. You 
> > may have to try a satisfying position by testing. Also you should
obey, 
> > that not only the transformer will cause some hum. Also (neon or 
> > halogene) lights, powercables or wallwarts outside the doepfer
case may 
> > induce the hum to the coils of the springreverb.
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> > pfichoux wrote:
> > 
> > > I was disappointed by the strong A199 hum noise in my brand new
> Doepfer
> > > A100 suitcase.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps I didn't care enough about Doepfer's home page warning :
> > > 
> > > "The spring reverb system is connected to the A-199 module via 2
> cables
> > > with RCA phono connectors. As the reverb system is very sensitive to
> > > magnetic fields it has to be placed in a big distance from the
> > > transformer of the A-100 power supply - privileged in the left upper
> > > corner of the A-100 frame. The reverb system is mounted with
> screws and
> > > nuts or double-faced self-adhesive tape. There has to be sufficient
> > > space for the reverb system (about 20 x 7 x 5 cm).
> > > 
> > > For frames that include the A-199 we recommend the usage of the new
> > > power supply PSU2. PSU2 has much less magnetic radiation (because
> of the
> > > ring core transformer) that may cause hum noise in the A-199."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Nevertheless, I began to find another position for the A199 reverb
> > > spring.
> > > 
> > > Now it is mounted inside the suitcase, on the top/handle side of the
> > > suitcase, open side of the spring reverb unit upwards, with
> double-faced
> > > adhesive tape.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hum noise used to appear with a mix at 8 (9 o clock : almost dry
> > > effect), now I can work easily with a mix at 5:5 (12 o clock).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Someday I'll try to build a full shield around the spring unit,
> but I'm
> > > already completely satisfied of my brand new A100 suitcase.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Pierre
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Florian Anwander                  |ConSol
> > Tel.   +49(89)45841-133           |Consulting&Solutions Software GmbH
> > Fax    +49(89)45841-111           |Franziskanerstr. 38, D-81669
München
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > email: florian.anwander@ |http://www.consol.de
> >
>

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A199 in a suitcase

2007-11-24 by hardware@doepfer.de

> Yahoo !
>
> I got it : ferrite.
>
> I replaced the long RCA cable by a shorter one thru a ferrite ... and
> it works better than well : terrificaly well.
>
> Hum noise almost desappeared : I reach distortion before I can ear it.
>
> Summary :
>
> 1/ change springs unit position
> 2/ replace RCA cable by a shorter one thru a ferrite
>
> NB : I took my ferrite appart from a no longer used hard drive power cord.
>
> Cheeerrs 'o'

Thank you for this information. That's very interesting and I'll keep it in
mind in case that another user will reporrt similar problems (even with
PSU2).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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