Doepfer

Thanks for the reply...

 then you r3ecord your
> input by pressing the 'man trig' button.

So maybe im having some trouble cos I am receiving triggers all the
time from my sequencer??? If I stop those triggers and Manually Press
the TRIG button, I might have more joy...?

Any Hints on getting the BEST input level? From an outside source (I
dont have that um... input processor module (or is that Blacet)Yet...)
Do you think that the output from the headphone socket from an mp3
player should work? (Incidentely I think this is a genius solution to
"load up" yer sounds,)

> btw, the a112 is a great module. i have 3 of them and
> use them very often.

Thats good to hear... I spose I need more fiddling!!

m

After 1 evening with my new 112 sampler module, I am completely frustrated.
I am finding it VERY obscure to use, with seemingly random functionality and
an INCREDIBLY distorted sound.

Now I know that it is 8 bit and all, but I have owned 8bit samplers in the
past, and this is NOT just simple aliasing, infact I MISS the 8bit quality
to my old Amiga sampler!! So I am guessing the fault lies with me. Then it
would seem to be a question of input impedance. For testing I am using an
old radio, plugged in to the 112 input which then goes to a mixer, where i
also have clean radio sound (to compare what I am sampling). ANYTHING on the
sampler channel is seriously distorted, like Merzbow plays Moterhead. Making
even simple speech unrecognizable, or at least unlistenable.
How can I get better results?

As to the operation of the module... I know... I know... "Read the manual"
but I have and it lacks a simple "How to" section. Like in normal operation
(without loading from computer) if I want to sample an input (say a mike...
or radio ... or (as I was thinking... quicker and more convenient than
computer... an mp3 player)) ... grab a sample, and have it immediately be
triggered by a gate or trigger... how do I do this? Do I press the little
button to grab the sample? or does the gate do it? does that mean I must
stop any gate triggering sequencer before and after...(making it useless for
live improv stuff) HELP!!!! All suggestions welcome, can you draw some
patches for me, or take me thru a typical button press routine???

Thanks guys!!!

bit disappointed

Mark

-- 
www.markfrancombe.com
www.looop.no


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you can sample with the trigger button or the gate
input.
first of all, set the three switches correctly:
top switch in S1 or S2. middle switch to rec mode.
bottom switch to normal mode.
then:
while monitoring input (with sampler in rec mode) you
set up the input evel with the input knob (atten), and
you set the sampling frequency with the tune knob. so
if you want the best possible quality (and the less
possible recording time of course) you juts set the
tune knob in 'ten' position. then you r3ecord your
input by pressing the 'man trig' button. 
then you swith the middle swith to 'play' mode. now
you can trigger your recorded sample with the trigger
button (or the gate input socket). now you can set the
tune of the playedbak sample with the tune knob (and
its cv input).
simple as that.

btw, the a112 is a great module. i have 3 of them and
use them very often. with the correct patching, you
can set-up a feedback loop and use it as a low-fi
digital delay that sounds great, not clean, but great!
(for me at least).
thanks,
Bakis.


--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

> After 1 evening with my new 112 sampler module, I am
> completely frustrated.
> I am finding it VERY obscure to use, with seemingly
> random functionality and
> an INCREDIBLY distorted sound.
> 
> Now I know that it is 8 bit and all, but I have
> owned 8bit samplers in the
> past, and this is NOT just simple aliasing, infact I
> MISS the 8bit quality
> to my old Amiga sampler!! So I am guessing the fault
> lies with me. Then it
> would seem to be a question of input impedance. For
> testing I am using an
> old radio, plugged in to the 112 input which then
> goes to a mixer, where i
> also have clean radio sound (to compare what I am
> sampling). ANYTHING on the
> sampler channel is seriously distorted, like Merzbow
> plays Moterhead. Making
> even simple speech unrecognizable, or at least
> unlistenable.
> How can I get better results?
> 
> As to the operation of the module... I know... I
> know... "Read the manual"
> but I have and it lacks a simple "How to" section.
> Like in normal operation
> (without loading from computer) if I want to sample
> an input (say a mike...
> or radio ... or (as I was thinking... quicker and
> more convenient than
> computer... an mp3 player)) ... grab a sample, and
> have it immediately be
> triggered by a gate or trigger... how do I do this?
> Do I press the little
> button to grab the sample? or does the gate do it?
> does that mean I must
> stop any gate triggering sequencer before and
> after...(making it useless for
> live improv stuff) HELP!!!! All suggestions welcome,
> can you draw some
> patches for me, or take me thru a typical button
> press routine???
> 
> Thanks guys!!!
> 
> bit disappointed
> 
> Mark
> 
> -- 
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.looop.no
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
http://www.DiN.org.uk
http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
Athens-Greece


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yes, you should stop triggering from your sequencer
(WHEN IN REC MODE), unless you just want crazy
results...
you can trigger from your sequencer (or from
whatever)after you have recorded your sample, and when
in play mode.
regarding best input level, you have to try it out.
after all, you monitor the sampling input when in rec
mode, so you can hear if the input is distorted.
btw, the sample (after its recorded) sounds better
than the monitored sampling input!
after you master 'simple' sample recording, you can
use its wavetable mode for more distorted and glitchy
results.


--- markfrancombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply...
> 
>  then you r3ecord your
> > input by pressing the 'man trig' button.
> 
> So maybe im having some trouble cos I am receiving
> triggers all the
> time from my sequencer??? If I stop those triggers
> and Manually Press
> the TRIG button, I might have more joy...?
> 
> Any Hints on getting the BEST input level? From an
> outside source (I
> dont have that um... input processor module (or is
> that Blacet)Yet...)
> Do you think that the output from the headphone
> socket from an mp3
> player should work? (Incidentely I think this is a
> genius solution to
> "load up" yer sounds,)
> 
> > btw, the a112 is a great module. i have 3 of them
> and
> > use them very often.
> 
> Thats good to hear... I spose I need more fiddling!!
> 
> m
> 
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
http://www.DiN.org.uk
http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
Athens-Greece


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i love my a112, it is my top favourite module alongside my harvestman
malgorithm, and both have really proved to me that the true joy of
modular synths is not the different sound qualities, but the pleasure
of a different way of working, and the different creative accidents
that can occur with knobs and cables rather than a mouse. 

if i could have one wish for the next version (in ten years time or
whatever, and certainly AFTER the a189-1 iwantonenow is released) it
would be an easier way of getting memory in and out, either an sd card
reader, or a usb interface for computer connection. midi is very
unusable for data transfer tasks. 

i must say the wavetable aspects produce the greatest sounds ever
although its very difficult to control, and the clicks from non zero
crossings are a part of the sound you just have to learn to love.




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> yes, you should stop triggering from your sequencer
> (WHEN IN REC MODE), unless you just want crazy
> results...
> you can trigger from your sequencer (or from
> whatever)after you have recorded your sample, and when
> in play mode.
> regarding best input level, you have to try it out.
> after all, you monitor the sampling input when in rec
> mode, so you can hear if the input is distorted.
> btw, the sample (after its recorded) sounds better
> than the monitored sampling input!
> after you master 'simple' sample recording, you can
> use its wavetable mode for more distorted and glitchy
> results.
> 
> 
> --- markfrancombe <mark@...> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the reply...
> > 
> >  then you r3ecord your
> > > input by pressing the 'man trig' button.
> > 
> > So maybe im having some trouble cos I am receiving
> > triggers all the
> > time from my sequencer??? If I stop those triggers
> > and Manually Press
> > the TRIG button, I might have more joy...?
> > 
> > Any Hints on getting the BEST input level? From an
> > outside source (I
> > dont have that um... input processor module (or is
> > that Blacet)Yet...)
> > Do you think that the output from the headphone
> > socket from an mp3
> > player should work? (Incidentely I think this is a
> > genius solution to
> > "load up" yer sounds,)
> > 
> > > btw, the a112 is a great module. i have 3 of them
> > and
> > > use them very often.
> > 
> > Thats good to hear... I spose I need more fiddling!!
> > 
> > m
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/interconnectedmusic
> http://www.myspace.com/memorygeist
> http://www.DiN.org.uk
> http://www.musicamaximamagnetica.com
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> http://www.rubber.gr
> Athens-Greece
> 
> 
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Thanks for the messages regarding this, I immediately went back and
tried again, with much better results, still not perfect, but pretty cool.

I do think that the wavetable mode seems very clunky in how they
expect you to input to it, the triggering of the rec is a strange way
to work also... 
> 
> i love my a112, <SNIP> ...have really proved to me that the true joy of
> modular synths is not the different sound qualities, but the pleasure
> of a different way of working, and the different creative accidents
> that can occur with knobs and cables rather than a mouse.

Completely Concur... this is why i love my modular too...

> 
> if i could have one wish for the next version (in ten years time or
> whatever, and certainly AFTER the a189-1 iwantonenow is released) it
> would be an easier way of getting memory in and out, either an sd card
> reader, or a usb interface

Personally not sure i agree with that one.. a card reader would be
cool, but simple editting ON THE MODULE (see below) would be my focus,
I REALLY dont want to do ANYTHING on the computer, when Im in Modular
Land!(but it would SELL this module if it had the ability)

 
> i must say the wavetable aspects produce the greatest sounds ever
> although its very difficult to control, 

Yes, havent figured them out yet, altho ran into that mode once or
twice. by accident...

and the clicks from non zero
> crossings are a part of the sound you just have to learn to love.

NOT a problem... love clicky things

I think a new version, does NOT need to be so different from it as it
stand now (visually) but majorly different in terms of usage.

1. CD Card reader or usb in.
2. Please make it go OUT of modes automatically, this little pulse it
needs once in a while is a hiccup for me, I have to cable something to
it JUST to do this!!!
3. Better quality (goes without saying I guess, 16 bit version of
course!!!)
4. Pitch CV and Wavetable er... jumping CV are both good to leave as
is... no problems!
5. Separate jack for Audio IN
6.ONE addition for me would be to provide a START OFFSET. or "In
point" knob(CV).

OR.. what if you got rid of the wavetable mode altogether (wait wait..
don interupt YET) but changed the WAVE CV IN (plus new knob) to a
START POINT JUMP. This would give you the same possibilities as a wave
table (sequencing the start point of the sample)
Christ!!!  If you sampled (or imported) a drum loop, you could use an
analog sequencer to jump about in the loop to fire off different beats
in the loop,(Like the rex player in Reason)

I'm beginning to love my 112, and see its potential, but a new version
is something I may have to design myself and get going as a personal
project, if Doepfer don't get going on it!! ha ha

cheers... Mark