Doepfer

Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very much like the metalbox stuff.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if you
> want.
> i have some banana metalbox modules...
> 
> 
> --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks, not
> > bananas...unless he does those also.
> >  -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > 
> > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas about
> > the wisdom of
> > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as Serge system
> > ?
> > > >
> > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules run at 5
> > volts peak to peak
> > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge - and uses
> > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > great, right?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not banana's.
> > > 
> > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > >
> > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > Serge: 4U
> > > 
> > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > different beasts...
> > > 
> > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > >
> > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > 
> > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > >
> > > Don't know the electrical specs of the Serge
> > systems,
> > > but I'd look seriously into the gate/trigger
> > voltages
> > > before hooking both up.
> > > Most current modulars are electrically compatible
> > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly too),
> > > but not always 100%.
> > > 
> > > Often not a real problem, but be careful in some
> > instances.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems anyone
> > is aware of that would
> > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all use
> > banana jacks,
> > > and are more or less compatible with Serge. Buchla
> > too...
> > > 
> > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can tell you
> > all about this,
> > > since he owns all of the modules of all of the
> > systems... ;-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, when thinking about crossbreeding
> > Doepfer with
> > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first system
> > coming to my mind...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On a sidenote:
> > > I've been working on a complete list/database of
> > current
> > > modular systems compatibilities (both mechanical
> > and electrical),
> > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one day... Need
> > some help here too.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Guy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> 
>       




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me too.


--- implode7@comcast.net wrote:

> 
> Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm
> building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very much
> like the metalbox stuff.
> 
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if you
> > want.
> > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > 
> > 
> > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks, not
> > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > >  -------------- Original message
> > > ----------------------
> > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > 
> > > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas
> about
> > > the wisdom of
> > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as Serge
> system
> > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules run
> at 5
> > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge - and
> uses
> > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > great, right?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not
> banana's.
> > > > 
> > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > >
> > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > 
> > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > > different beasts...
> > > > 
> > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > >
> > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > 
> > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > > >
> > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the Serge
> > > systems,
> > > > but I'd look seriously into the gate/trigger
> > > voltages
> > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> compatible
> > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly
> too),
> > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > 
> > > > Often not a real problem, but be careful in
> some
> > > instances.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems
> anyone
> > > is aware of that would
> > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all use
> > > banana jacks,
> > > > and are more or less compatible with Serge.
> Buchla
> > > too...
> > > > 
> > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can tell
> you
> > > all about this,
> > > > since he owns all of the modules of all of the
> > > systems... ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, when thinking about crossbreeding
> > > Doepfer with
> > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first system
> > > coming to my mind...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > I've been working on a complete list/database
> of
> > > current
> > > > modular systems compatibilities (both
> mechanical
> > > and electrical),
> > > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one day...
> Need
> > > some help here too.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -Guy
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> > 
> > 
> >       
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

Bakis was sayin that you need alot of banana to mini-jack panels. I disagree with this. I think a more economical solution (with regards to both space and money) would be to have a single 4hp system gnd  panel. This module would connect to the doepfer powerbus and bring system GND to the panel via a banana socket. Have a system GND socket added to the front panel of your serge system (very simple modification) and connect the two via a single banana cable. GND is now shared.

This method saves precious HP, allows you to use FEWER cables to patch between systems, and allow you to use Banana to mini-jack cables. These would have only the TIP of the mini-jack connected to the single element on the banana jack. 

Tony

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:47:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> 
> me too.
> 
> 
> --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm
> > building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very much
> > like the metalbox stuff.
> > 
> >  -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if you
> > > want.
> > > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks, not
> > > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > ----------------------
> > > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas
> > about
> > > > the wisdom of
> > > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as Serge
> > system
> > > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules run
> > at 5
> > > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge - and
> > uses
> > > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > > great, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not
> > banana's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > > > different beasts...
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the Serge
> > > > systems,
> > > > > but I'd look seriously into the gate/trigger
> > > > voltages
> > > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> > compatible
> > > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly
> > too),
> > > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Often not a real problem, but be careful in
> > some
> > > > instances.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems
> > anyone
> > > > is aware of that would
> > > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all use
> > > > banana jacks,
> > > > > and are more or less compatible with Serge.
> > Buchla
> > > > too...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can tell
> > you
> > > > all about this,
> > > > > since he owns all of the modules of all of the
> > > > systems... ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Personally, when thinking about crossbreeding
> > > > Doepfer with
> > > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first system
> > > > coming to my mind...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > > I've been working on a complete list/database
> > of
> > > > current
> > > > > modular systems compatibilities (both
> > mechanical
> > > > and electrical),
> > > > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one day...
> > Need
> > > > some help here too.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Guy
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > removed]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> > Memory Geist
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > Athens - Greece
> > > 
> > > 
> > >       
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> 
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yes, indeed that is a way to interface too.
but, i prefer converter panels.


--- Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Bakis was sayin that you need alot of banana to
> mini-jack panels. I disagree with this. I think a
> more economical solution (with regards to both space
> and money) would be to have a single 4hp system gnd 
> panel. This module would connect to the doepfer
> powerbus and bring system GND to the panel via a
> banana socket. Have a system GND socket added to the
> front panel of your serge system (very simple
> modification) and connect the two via a single
> banana cable. GND is now shared.
> 
> This method saves precious HP, allows you to use
> FEWER cables to patch between systems, and allow you
> to use Banana to mini-jack cables. These would have
> only the TIP of the mini-jack connected to the
> single element on the banana jack. 
> 
> Tony
> 
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:47:38 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> > 
> > me too.
> > 
> > 
> > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm
> > > building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very
> much
> > > like the metalbox stuff.
> > > 
> > >  -------------- Original message
> > > ----------------------
> > > From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if
> you
> > > > want.
> > > > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks,
> not
> > > > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas
> > > about
> > > > > the wisdom of
> > > > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as
> Serge
> > > system
> > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules
> run
> > > at 5
> > > > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge -
> and
> > > uses
> > > > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > > > great, right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not
> > > banana's.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > > > > different beasts...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the
> Serge
> > > > > systems,
> > > > > > but I'd look seriously into the
> gate/trigger
> > > > > voltages
> > > > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> > > compatible
> > > > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly
> > > too),
> > > > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Often not a real problem, but be careful
> in
> > > some
> > > > > instances.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems
> > > anyone
> > > > > is aware of that would
> > > > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all
> use
> > > > > banana jacks,
> > > > > > and are more or less compatible with
> Serge.
> > > Buchla
> > > > > too...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can
> tell
> > > you
> > > > > all about this,
> > > > > > since he owns all of the modules of all of
> the
> > > > > systems... ;-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Personally, when thinking about
> crossbreeding
> > > > > Doepfer with
> > > > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first
> system
> > > > > coming to my mind...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > > > I've been working on a complete
> list/database
> > > of
> > > > > current
> > > > > > modular systems compatibilities (both
> > > mechanical
> > > > > and electrical),
> > > > > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one
> day...
> > > Need
> > > > > some help here too.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Guy
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds /
> Interconnected /
> > > Memory Geist
> > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > > Athens - Greece
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> Memory Geist
> 
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Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

btw, the serge psu has a black banana ground input on
the back of it, so you do not need to make a ground
banana socket in the serge modular at all. that's how
you could ground the Serge psu to other serge psu's,
or to other modular makers psu's.



--- Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Bakis was sayin that you need alot of banana to
> mini-jack panels. I disagree with this. I think a
> more economical solution (with regards to both space
> and money) would be to have a single 4hp system gnd 
> panel. This module would connect to the doepfer
> powerbus and bring system GND to the panel via a
> banana socket. Have a system GND socket added to the
> front panel of your serge system (very simple
> modification) and connect the two via a single
> banana cable. GND is now shared.
> 
> This method saves precious HP, allows you to use
> FEWER cables to patch between systems, and allow you
> to use Banana to mini-jack cables. These would have
> only the TIP of the mini-jack connected to the
> single element on the banana jack. 
> 
> Tony
> 
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:47:38 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> > 
> > me too.
> > 
> > 
> > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm
> > > building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very
> much
> > > like the metalbox stuff.
> > > 
> > >  -------------- Original message
> > > ----------------------
> > > From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if
> you
> > > > want.
> > > > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks,
> not
> > > > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas
> > > about
> > > > > the wisdom of
> > > > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as
> Serge
> > > system
> > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules
> run
> > > at 5
> > > > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge -
> and
> > > uses
> > > > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > > > great, right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not
> > > banana's.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > > > > different beasts...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the
> Serge
> > > > > systems,
> > > > > > but I'd look seriously into the
> gate/trigger
> > > > > voltages
> > > > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> > > compatible
> > > > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly
> > > too),
> > > > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Often not a real problem, but be careful
> in
> > > some
> > > > > instances.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems
> > > anyone
> > > > > is aware of that would
> > > > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all
> use
> > > > > banana jacks,
> > > > > > and are more or less compatible with
> Serge.
> > > Buchla
> > > > > too...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can
> tell
> > > you
> > > > > all about this,
> > > > > > since he owns all of the modules of all of
> the
> > > > > systems... ;-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Personally, when thinking about
> crossbreeding
> > > > > Doepfer with
> > > > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first
> system
> > > > > coming to my mind...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > > > I've been working on a complete
> list/database
> > > of
> > > > > current
> > > > > > modular systems compatibilities (both
> > > mechanical
> > > > > and electrical),
> > > > > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one
> day...
> > > Need
> > > > > some help here too.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Guy
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds /
> Interconnected /
> > > Memory Geist
> > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > > Athens - Greece
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> Memory Geist
> 
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Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
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www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

So all you would need is a 4HP panel in the Doepfer case the took system gnd to a black banana socket.  This saves alot of money, cables and space Bakis, why would you prefer to do it with banana to mini panels?

Additionally, on complex patches, tracing cables would be easier.

TOny

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:33:42 -0700
> Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> 
> btw, the serge psu has a black banana ground input on
> the back of it, so you do not need to make a ground
> banana socket in the serge modular at all. that's how
> you could ground the Serge psu to other serge psu's,
> or to other modular makers psu's.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Bakis was sayin that you need alot of banana to
> > mini-jack panels. I disagree with this. I think a
> > more economical solution (with regards to both space
> > and money) would be to have a single 4hp system gnd 
> > panel. This module would connect to the doepfer
> > powerbus and bring system GND to the panel via a
> > banana socket. Have a system GND socket added to the
> > front panel of your serge system (very simple
> > modification) and connect the two via a single
> > banana cable. GND is now shared.
> > 
> > This method saves precious HP, allows you to use
> > FEWER cables to patch between systems, and allow you
> > to use Banana to mini-jack cables. These would have
> > only the TIP of the mini-jack connected to the
> > single element on the banana jack. 
> > 
> > Tony
> > 
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:47:38 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> > > 
> > > me too.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, that's very good to know, since I'm
> > > > building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I very
> > much
> > > > like the metalbox stuff.
> > > > 
> > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > ----------------------
> > > > From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules, if
> > you
> > > > > want.
> > > > > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini jacks,
> > not
> > > > > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > > > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Has anyone any experience with or ideas
> > > > about
> > > > > > the wisdom of
> > > > > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as
> > Serge
> > > > system
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio modules
> > run
> > > > at 5
> > > > > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge -
> > and
> > > > uses
> > > > > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > > > > great, right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks, not
> > > > banana's.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise. Two
> > > > > > different beasts...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can forsee?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the
> > Serge
> > > > > > systems,
> > > > > > > but I'd look seriously into the
> > gate/trigger
> > > > > > voltages
> > > > > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> > > > compatible
> > > > > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates mostly
> > > > too),
> > > > > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Often not a real problem, but be careful
> > in
> > > > some
> > > > > > instances.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Finally, are ther other modular systems
> > > > anyone
> > > > > > is aware of that would
> > > > > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series all
> > use
> > > > > > banana jacks,
> > > > > > > and are more or less compatible with
> > Serge.
> > > > Buchla
> > > > > > too...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can
> > tell
> > > > you
> > > > > > all about this,
> > > > > > > since he owns all of the modules of all of
> > the
> > > > > > systems... ;-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Personally, when thinking about
> > crossbreeding
> > > > > > Doepfer with
> > > > > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first
> > system
> > > > > > coming to my mind...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > > > > I've been working on a complete
> > list/database
> > > > of
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > modular systems compatibilities (both
> > > > mechanical
> > > > > > and electrical),
> > > > > > > but didn't finish it yet... Maybe one
> > day...
> > > > Need
> > > > > > some help here too.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -Guy
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > > removed]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds /
> > Interconnected /
> > > > Memory Geist
> > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > > > Athens - Greece
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >       
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > removed]
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /
> > Memory Geist
> > 
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> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
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cause it seems a real nightmare to me, trying to short
out the banana to banana, minijack to banana and
minijack to minijack cables out of a cablemesh of
hundreds of patchcords (really!).
as my set-up is now, i only have to short out the
banana's from the minijack cables and that is much
easier...

--- Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> So all you would need is a 4HP panel in the Doepfer
> case the took system gnd to a black banana socket. 
> This saves alot of money, cables and space Bakis,
> why would you prefer to do it with banana to mini
> panels?
> 
> Additionally, on complex patches, tracing cables
> would be easier.
> 
> TOny
> 
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:33:42 -0700
> > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Serge compatability ?
> > 
> > btw, the serge psu has a black banana ground input
> on
> > the back of it, so you do not need to make a
> ground
> > banana socket in the serge modular at all. that's
> how
> > you could ground the Serge psu to other serge
> psu's,
> > or to other modular makers psu's.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Anthony Rolando <goldenechos@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Bakis was sayin that you need alot of banana to
> > > mini-jack panels. I disagree with this. I think
> a
> > > more economical solution (with regards to both
> space
> > > and money) would be to have a single 4hp system
> gnd 
> > > panel. This module would connect to the doepfer
> > > powerbus and bring system GND to the panel via a
> > > banana socket. Have a system GND socket added to
> the
> > > front panel of your serge system (very simple
> > > modification) and connect the two via a single
> > > banana cable. GND is now shared.
> > > 
> > > This method saves precious HP, allows you to use
> > > FEWER cables to patch between systems, and allow
> you
> > > to use Banana to mini-jack cables. These would
> have
> > > only the TIP of the mini-jack connected to the
> > > single element on the banana jack. 
> > > 
> > > Tony
> > > 
> > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:47:38 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Serge
> compatability ?
> > > > 
> > > > me too.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, that's very good to know, since
> I'm
> > > > > building a modcan/cynthia/serge system. I
> very
> > > much
> > > > > like the metalbox stuff.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > From: Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > yes, Metalbox does banana version modules,
> if
> > > you
> > > > > > want.
> > > > > > i have some banana metalbox modules...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- implode7@comcast.net wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Metalbox is frac rac, isn't it - mini
> jacks,
> > > not
> > > > > > > bananas...unless he does those also.
> > > > > > >  -------------- Original message
> > > > > > > ----------------------
> > > > > > > From: Guy D2 <guy@guyd2.com>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Has anyone any experience with or
> ideas
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the wisdom of
> > > > > > > > > interfacing Doepfer modules with as
> > > Serge
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. It seems that Doepfer audio
> modules
> > > run
> > > > > at 5
> > > > > > > volts peak to peak
> > > > > > > > > (-2.5v to +2.5v ?) - like the Serge
> -
> > > and
> > > > > uses
> > > > > > > bananna plugs too, so
> > > > > > > > > great, right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Doepfer uses 3mm (mini) phonejacks,
> not
> > > > > banana's.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 2. How about Panel Size?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doepfer : 3U
> > > > > > > > Serge: 4U
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Not really compatible, hardware-wise.
> Two
> > > > > > > different beasts...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 3. Power supply?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doepfer does both 115/230V AC
> > > > > > > > Doepfer DC rail: +/- 12V (opt: + 5V)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 4. Any other problems anyone can
> forsee?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't know the electrical specs of the
> > > Serge
> > > > > > > systems,
> > > > > > > > but I'd look seriously into the
> > > gate/trigger
> > > > > > > voltages
> > > > > > > > before hooking both up.
> > > > > > > > Most current modulars are electrically
> > > > > compatible
> > > > > > > > (their CV/audio signals, and gates
> mostly
> > > > > too),
> > > > > > > > but not always 100%.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Often not a real problem, but be
> careful
> > > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > instances.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Finally, are ther other modular
> systems
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > is aware of that would
> > > > > > > > > seem to be compaable with Serge?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > MetalBox, Cynthia and ModCan A series
> all
> > > use
> > > > > > > banana jacks,
> > > > > > > > and are more or less compatible with
> > > Serge.
> > > > > Buchla
> > > > > > > too...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I guess our list moderator (Bakis) can
> > > tell
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > all about this,
> > > > > > > > since he owns all of the modules of
> all of
> > > the
> > > > > > > systems... ;-)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Personally, when thinking about
> > > crossbreeding
> > > > > > > Doepfer with
> > > > > > > > othe modulars, Serge is not the first
> > > system
> > > > > > > coming to my mind...
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On a sidenote:
> > > > > > > > I've been working on a complete
> > > list/database
> 
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Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

> My Serge / Euro system has some panels banana jacked some not and I 
> bought 2 mults and made one side banana :-)

So i have a pretend Buchla for now :-)
>
>